ok here goes ....i got the second site finally up after about 10 minutes after your help ....naveldesign....thx. after i published it i decided to make a couple of modifacations to (biz-king) but it wouldnt upload the correct NEW mods so i went and fiddled around with the name and now i got both pages mixed in...sorry i think i did? http://biz-giants.com index page is gone but still in vertial space and placesite, i dont want to try anything in fear that http://biz-giant.com page may be killed off....nooooooooooooo. wont risk it navel could you get me out of this sticky mess some how...PLEASE use laymen terms it works better..lol. thx your bud malcolm