Thread: Tim

Hi,
I have made changes in my site how about some feed back.
my site: www.freedom4lifesite.biz

Thank's Tim

nice site, your contact page seems to go off on some other direction, something about laundry and not your e-mail and contact info.

LOL Bill is priceless, isn't he? > He is right, though, as it has the product description rather than Contact Function.....
"No, William, it's not SA8!!" (And you're going to have to get used to the smell of cigars: a few of us self-celebrate success with stogies!)

Your efforts have paid off, Tim. I suppose you need to keep some of the more "informal" images and verbiage to convey your intended theme, but I might hint at trying to reduce the unecessary "clutter." Obviously you are reaching out to intelligent individuals, and I would focus on that perspective without trying to hug too large of an audience or reach for credibility when you don't need to.
BUT....that's my take on it.
Technically, everything seems pretty tight, so keep plodding Good Sir! Looking forward to your finished product.

Hi Vasili,

Take a look at my site now I market these products and that is what I want people to look at if you go to the links at the end of each their is a form to fill and submit.

Thanks,
Tim

Technically, your pages are brilliant....you succeeded emotionally in making me believe through the use of color, images (love that baby!), style, and content that if i become a sales rep/distributor for your laundry soap company (amway???) I will help the environment, spend more time with my family, love God, AND get rich! The "confusing" structure forced me to read for a very long time and get really "pumped up" trying to find out what it is I had to do to acheive all the things you are promising on your main page. Click to second page and I finally find it on a button....opportunities to sell soap.

Personally, I do not care for companies that use this sales tactic, but for the purpose of your website, it worked! ordinarily, I would not have read the whole site when someone doesn't tell me right away what your true purpose is....but that's just me. Why not just say so on the first page? I would have REALLY contacted you then!

Just my opinion. Sorry!

Hi Islandcrazy,
I am sorry if you were confused I do not sell soap the Laundrypure is a machine that use no soap and hook's to your washer and the fresh air is a air purifier is Certified Space Technology by NASA if you go to the drop down Box and bring down the different links you will see we are not in the soap business but high Technology Please take a look at that and then you will be "pumped Up" Click on arrow when links click on Laundrypure & Go Thank You , Tim PS. post back to me then

Granted it is definitely a very valid environmentally friendly product. Still the Contact Us is confusing, and quite honestly as a user I am turned away without exploring further.

As a colleague, I applaud your efforts and can only provide the feedback you request.

Hi Islandcrazy,
I just went in my site and it was not working right I am sorry again I have it fix now so go to drop down box when you click on the arrow 4 links will be there 2 for laundrypure and 2 for fresh air if you click recuiting that will give you a better idea what we are all about.

Thanks again
Tim

Hi Bill,
That is what I post for is to get other peoples feed back so I can make changes untill I get it right give me some insight on what you would do.

Thanks,
Tim

Originally Posted by timshaw

Hi Islandcrazy,
I am sorry if you were confused I do not sell soap the Laundrypure is a machine that use no soap and hook's to your washer and the fresh air is a air purifier is Certified Space Technology by NASA if you go to the drop down Box and bring down the different links you will see we are not in the soap business but high Technology Please take a look at that and then you will be "pumped Up" Click on arrow when links click on Laundrypure & Go Thank You , Tim PS. post back to me then

I think that was her entire point: all the information you replied with should be easy to find and understand on your website, or at least navigate intelligently to from your Main Page!

Using clever means or a "hook" generally results in frustration, a definitive "turn off".....a website is a poor substitute for personal-style marketing. And, (here it comes) any successful marketing is based on credibility of the product or service rather than any other implication or inferrence..... (Even the domain name - site name - product name relationship is confusing with regard to the product or "opportunity") > "Freedom4Life.com" IS a business, isn't it?

Your website demonstrates your technical achievements, and there are still a few glitches that can be easily solved, so it might be better to focus on this aspect. That being said, the above comments as they relate to navigation logistics merit further consideration.


IMO: In My Opinion!

I will have a cigar to celebrate when you've completed the site. Good luck.

Hi,
Made some changes hope this helps.

God Bless,
Tim
www.freedom4lifesite.biz

Tim, I'm so sorry that I thought it was soap. This morning I was being a bit of a smart alec and I really apologize for my ignorance. I did not mean to sound rude to you! I will go look at your site again in a while to see your products as I really missed the boat!

I probably shouldn't have save said anything, but I am very sensitive to this stlye of marketing as I've had several family members affected in a negative way by it. I am also very sensitive to marketing strategies that use religion, freedom, and family values to gain my trust before they sell me their "product." I am NOT accusing you of doing those things and this is not the appropriate place to do so, so I apologize greatly

BUT...as I said before, you have done a very good job building your site!

Hi Vasili,
I was not try to do any thing clever I am 68 years old and new at marketing I have look at manysite and though I was doing it right most site I see is two pages so that is what I made to do like all others I have seen, I am an independent Dealer for this company and they are about God,Family and Country and this is what I put in my site if you would take a look at the links the company tells you all about it self I am just trying my best to be successful at what I do.

Thanks For The input,
Tim

Hi Islandcrazy,
I did not take it that way and why I put God, Family and Country in my site because this is what this company is all about I am an independent dealer for them and the first thing they tell you is all that we do is for the Glory of God and our Familes I am 68 years old and love them all I got in the business because my wife has copd and was in the hospital all the time I purchase one of the Fresh Air Purifies and it help her so much I became a dealer she only has 30% of one lung that works and it has been a year and a half since we bought the machine and we have not been in the hospital they have help us so much and that is why I am trying to tell the rest of the world. Trying my best

Thank You and God Bless
Tim

Tim.. Technically your site is looking good but I am not sure how you can promote Chrisitanity, six figure earnings and American government policies all on the same page. I guess my points are all down to your site content.

I have to elaborate because the comments above might seem a bit unfair but I really don't want a political or religous argument and I am not trying to start one....

The USA government (and my government) claim to live by Christian morals but they fall at the very first hurdle, Turning the other cheek!

About the six figure earnings, just seems a bit odd for a Christian organisation to be promoting such things when material belongings and comfort are not high on the agenda in that religion.

forgive me... anybody who is angry at this post.. forgive me... I just don;t know who your site is aimed at matey.

:)

Tim, Thank you for sharing your story. Again, I am sorry for rushing to judge you as a "slik" guy!!

When I read your post #20...you know what i thought?

Why don't you put just what you said in your post ON YOUR FIRST PAGE? A testimonial!! I would have probably bought your machine right then!! Or at least a button to "testimonials" or "why we exist"...??

I don't know how to explain what I'm trying to say....I really thought your site was a "marketing ploy" ....hmmmm..i'm going to have to think about this before I stick my foot any further down my throat!!

just be careful in how you present your company....your story is BEAUTIFUL ....put it front and center on your website! JUST MY OPINON...

I misunderstood your inexperience for a marketing strategy and I 'm, again, sorry for my foolish reply.

Originally Posted by FPRob

Tim.. Technically your site is looking good but I am not sure how you can promote Chrisitanity, six figure earnings and American government policies all on the same page. I guess my points are all down to your site content.
I have to elaborate because the comments above might seem a bit unfair but I really don't want a political or religous argument and I am not trying to start one....
The USA government (and my government) claim to live by Christian morals but they fall at the very first hurdle, Turning the other cheek!
About the six figure earnings, just seems a bit odd for a Christian organisation to be promoting such things when material belongings and comfort are not high on the agenda in that religion.
forgive me... anybody who is angry at this post.. forgive me... I just don;t know who your site is aimed at matey.:)

(I tried to keep the perspectives skewed to technical aspects: navigation, and the conceptual incongruance of domain name-website "header"/logo-opportunity/product visuals....the domain name or BUSINESS name is usually/should be seen at the top of the site?)

Religion, Politics, and Money are generally considered taboo topics in a Forum envoirnment, and this particular Forum is not concerned with "content" (further than spelling, syntax, or sentence structure) as long as the content complies with VodaHost Terms of Service.

Technical Review (and accolades) are the focus of this particular Forum...

Hi To Every One Who Replyed to my post.

I did not mean to cause so much misunderstanding of my site I was just looking to find any mistakes or help since I am a novice at this but here it is to try and make things better:
My market is Air and Water quality in the home The EPA states this is one of our major problems in this country, The environment that we contiue to pollute, help people to gain financial and time freedom God never said we should not make money or have some free time with our familes if we are in business, to give people the best bussiness opportunity we can and show them we are all for healthy living company and if you would like to be a part of it, like I told Islandcrazy I am a dealer because what the machine did for my wife and me. We interview people 4 or 5 times before we accept them in the company we look for the best of the Best I have been buying leads now I am trying to get my own with my site I could go on and on but I will stop here and I will say may God Bless us all and everyone have a great night. If you want to look at the 4 links in my site and mabye this will give you all a better understanding you will see the founder in ther and his back ground in the bussiness.

Thank You All for responding
and I will be watching for more input.
Tim
www.freedom4lifesite.biz

That was well explained Tim, thanks :)

I think the thing that threw me was the top banner. I guess I was (after seeing it) expecting a different kind of content. This is quite good for you from a reveiw perspective because if that mistake (assumption) has been made by one person (me) then it will probably be made by others too. Thanks for explaining it. Even though I did go a bit overboard in my post above, hopefully you can also see how not explaining the way I was thinking could have caused confusion or something worse. Elaborating on my statement was the sensible thing to do. Which brings me nicely onto....

Technical reviews and accolades Vasili? LOL Then what is this title text all about (the title text for this section of the forum is below)? It doesn't even hint at the fact that reviews should based on technical merrit but it does say lots about the general reviewing of websites :)

Also, I agree with you, I honestly do, on the issue of religion and politics causing arguments and being taboo on internet forums but when it comes to religious and political websites how can comments on those subjects be left out. I gave an honest opinion of what I thought. Not my fault if the subject matter is a controversial one. Maybe I did over explain a bit but only in an attempt to make the things I was talking about come across in a clearer way.

"Are you ready to show your website to the world? Are your hyperlinks working?, Do you have any spelling mistakes or grammatical errors? How does it look? How can it be improved? Have your website reviewed and critiqued by other VodaHost Community Forum Members. DO NOT BE SHY!!! We want to see it , we are here to help each other. This is your testing ground"

Hi FPROB,
Thank you for your opion but this is what happens when people jumps the gun I beleived the people on this form was to look at my site and that mean all of it and tell me what they think it is not to try and recruit them
it is to tell me of my mistake since I am a novice and a new web builder and I do thank each and every one of you who replyed and the main thing always to remember the saying where I come from: never assume anything because the first three letters in assume is a_ _ and it makes one out of you and me.

Again May God Bless all of You and The USA
Thanks Very Much
Tim

Hi Tim,
What a can of worms eh?
I too was a bit confused by your home page - not really sure what the site was about...but once into the site I have a few technical comments. I am new to design as well but as a user I thought the pages looked good: clean and interesting without having too much happening at once.
I did find it frustrating not to be able to navigate from one page to another by choice: once into the pages about recruiting/ecoquest (is there a spelling mistake on the drop downs?) you are stuck there and unable to get back "Home" on YOUR site or back to previos page. I also think that the blue arrows at the bottom of these pages is misleading as they don't "go" anywhere but I'm not sure if this is still part of your site or not.
I think you should place more emphasis on the "Home based environmental business" bit to give people an idea of what the site is for.
I was also looking for other pages for information when, in fact, it is the "contact" button that leads to this...I would give the option of information as well as contact.
Hope this is helpful

Hi Helga,
Thank you for your input I agree the blue arrows need to be changed but the links are EcoQuest Links and I can not change them but I will talk to them tomorrow to see if they will make changes if you go to the bottom of the page there is a box there to take you to there next page in there site to get back to my site you need to click the back button at top of page so I am going to talk to them on that also because at the bottom of there page is my name,email address and phone number I want to see if the can put my URL there also to return to home.

Thanks,
Tim
www.freedom4lifesite.biz

Originally Posted by timshaw

Hi FPROB,
Thank you for your opion but this is what happens when people jumps the gun I beleived the people on this form was to look at my site and that mean all of it and tell me what they think it is not to try and recruit them
it is to tell me of my mistake since I am a novice and a new web builder and I do thank each and every one of you who replyed and the main thing always to remember the saying where I come from: never assume anything because the first three letters in assume is a_ _ and it makes one out of you and me.

Again May God Bless all of You and The USA
Thanks Very Much
Tim

Tim you have misunderstood me... Yes, maybe I did misunderstand the content a little but that is why reviews are good, it give you an idea of how your site is coming across to others. Even when the reviewer says something that you may not like. I did say in my original post that your site was looking technically good. I didn't criticise you for being a novice. I'd never do that.

Here's the thing though, if you are not prepared to take reviews as they come then maybe you should not post your site or ask for opinions.

I'm sorry I have upset you but hey, that's how reviews sometimes go. I do not really care either way how your site comes across but all reviews even bad ones should hold some kind of use for you in the way of determining future development.

It is also true that if one person has a particular opinion then it is a fair bet that others will see the same kinds of things within your site.

Hell maaaan, I am certain you would find fault with my sites too. If we can't be honest in this section then whats the point of having it?

Thou shalt not lie!!!!!! Except in BV's reviews section?

Originally Posted by FPRob

A.Here's the thing though, if you are not prepared to take reviews as they come then maybe you should not post your site or ask for opinions.

B. It is also true that if one person has a particular opinion then it is a fair bet that others will see the same kinds of things within your site.

A. I agree completely.....since the "reviewers" are pretty much in the soup themselves (designing websites), putting your site up for review allows the wonderful opportunity to gather perspectives much wider than our own, to see from the eyes of another. Often, that goes hand in hand with having what is seen understood differently as well, so "getting our of own box" once in a while can be both refreshing (revealing) and possibly even uncomfortable!

B. Regardless the discussion about content (although it is inherently meshed with the overall "presentation"), almost everyone has tried to "solve" the very present difficulty with the coherence/continuity of the website design and navigation therein. It seems agreed that the top banner would BEST be entitled with the actual domain name, and the "Christian" line would then best become a "tagline" or "qualifier" to the Head. In this way, the business (or "Opportunity") is "Official" and begins to be described...... first by the Tag, and then by everything underneath it, in standard fashion. If you need a structure to refer to, try thinking of it as writing a paper in school: you have your title, introductory sentence (by-line), introductory paragraph, etc. until you come to your conclusion...in this case it would be the compelling invitation to "drill-in" for more....

Whether you have 1, 2, or 1200 pages is not an issue. What IS an issue is how it is presented (flow, construct, format, etc.) and if it is navigable.

** Suggestion: You should consider hyperlinking your page header image/logo to your "Main" page, as it has been a "standard" for quite some time to use this feature to navigate with. If you decide to implement this also, every page would thus have an additional return to your Main.

PS: I have made plenty of errors myself, so believe me when I state that I harbor no ill will toward anyone in VodaLand, and really do not intentd to come across like a "Patton"....I have become known (whether good or bad) as a "stickler" for use of language and logistical construct. Maybe because I have been not only in business for a long time, but have been a successful trainer and writer as well? Whatever! LOL

Hi To All,
I was not upset about any thing I am thankful for your help just in one place you said your assumpton and I responed with my opinion on assuming things and did everyone go all the way through my site it take a lot more then this to upset me but if that is what you and any one else thinks so be it again thank you and ever one who responded to my site and I will be back for more input if all of you want to give me more and I will learn in time to be one of the best that is the way I am and I give every thing I do all I have to be successful.

May God Bless,
Tim

Vasili said: It seems agreed that the top banner would BEST be entitled with the actual domain name, and the "Christian" line would then best become a "tagline" or "qualifier" to the Head. In this way, the business (or "Opportunity") is "Official" and begins to be described...... first by the Tag, and then by everything underneath it, in standard fashion. If you need a structure to refer to, try thinking of it as writing a paper in school: you have your title, introductory sentence (by-line), introductory paragraph, etc. until you come to your conclusion...in this case it would be the compelling invitation to "drill-in" for more....""


I think that would be a great idea! Have your logo/header more "to the point" of your company/product and then "underneath" have some sort of Christian slogan to still make a powerful statement about your faith and the mission of your company! I think it would lead to less confusion.

blessings to you, 2

Hi Vasili & Islandcrazy,

Take a look now and what do you think am I going in the right way.

Thanks,
Tim

www.freedom4lifesite.biz

Yes...I think you are starting to see the premise.....

Some simple "edits" though (shown in color - don't duplicate the color! LOL):
"Freedom4LifeSite" -- drop the "www." and the ".biz" (not really necessary), and set the font to bold after 'capitalizing' as shown.-non-italicized-...sets it off more, and emphasizes the importance of who you are paying attention to..
"A Christian Based Company" -- I would make this line italicized, significantly smaller than the "Logo" and correct the spelling as noted....or just use "A Christian Company"

Carry On!

Hi Vasili,

Thanks again I think we are gaining on it look better all the time.

Tim
www.freedom4lifesit.biz

Hi Islandcrazy,

Look at my site if you would have the time I made the Changes and looks great.

Tim
www.freedom4lifesite.biz

Wow Tim! You have made some great improvements! Thank you for making your site more straightforward. I think this will help you keep the attention of "skeptic" people like me! Good luck to your adventure!

Fantastic! The changes have dramatic effect, don't you agree?

(It's a good thing, posting your site up for review here, as the perspectives volunteered give you a real "heads-up" on potential snags and difficulties prior to going 'live'....the issues addressed so far have truly cleared the path for you with regard to visitors understanding your site.) I have come to the belief that if our favorite "St. John Island Lady" gives her thumbs up, then you're good to go!

Now....onto the technical aspects....
(This is where I beg off)

Hi islandcrazy & Vasili,

Thank You, Thank You both I could not have made the changes with out your help I had to let the company check before I could get going and they said WoW and I told them I had some great people point me in the right way to build a web site.

Thanks to every one who give me input and I will be back form time to time if I have to make any changes.

Thanks Again,
Tim
www.freedom4lifesite.biz

Hi Again Vasili,

and yes I agree 150% with you

Tim

Good work,
One more suggestion, link your e-mail to something. As it stands people will have to copy and paste. Highlight itthen hyperlink from the menu. Change the link type to mailto and below type in timothyshaw274@verizon.biz

Hi Bill,
Thank You.

Tim
www.freedom4lifesite.biz

Hi Bill,

It just me again I did what you told me and it works great with all this help from every one I will be looking like a pro quick Thanks to all of you.

God Bless
Tim

www.freedom4lifesite.biz

< You might want to cruise through the BV Video Tutorial Library once again, to see if you missed some features you are ready to implement... >

Vasili wrote: "(It's a good thing, posting your site up for review here, as the perspectives volunteered give you a real "heads-up" on potential snags and difficulties prior to going 'live'....the issues addressed so far have truly cleared the path for you with regard to visitors understanding your site.) I have come to the belief that if our favorite "St. John Island Lady" gives her thumbs up, then you're good to go!"

Oh MY GOODNESS! ROFL! How can this be?
Let me be the first to say I don't know SQUAT about websites!!! Notice that my posts are always about "feelings" and "color" and "layout" and "style" and "cheerleading". not IMPORTANT stuff, like links that don't work, messed up pages, etc.!!! LOL Your site can look really great, but if it doesn't "work" then what good is it??? So I am so grateful for all of you who can "fix" the techie stuff.

It is nice to know that you feel my "emotional" viewing of websites is a valuable addition to this community. I often feel i'm just a goof. But then, God made each of us with our unique "eyes" and talents and if we all share them, everyone will come out better for it in the end.

I have to say that I was very upset with myself for my critism of Tim in the beginning of this thread...I was NEVER going to come to this thread again, or other threads as I was embarrassed at my emotional over reaction to his site...

Tim, i must thank you for putting up with me and turning this out for the good of both of us!
I'm SO GLAD you are happy with the outcome and that your "boss" likes your work and that all is well! ...now you must listen to the tech gurus..they will help you make your site work even better!

Happy Day!

Originally Posted by timshaw

Hi Bill,

It just me again I did what you told me and it works great with all this help from every one I will be looking like a pro quick Thanks to all of you.

God Bless
Tim

www.freedom4lifesite.biz

Quite welcome.

Hi islandcrazy,

With you help and every one else I acomplish my goal to have a great Web Site my saying God gave me the right to express my opinion and no man on earth can take that from me. So always tell me what is in you mind and heart and I respect that I may not agree but in the end it all works out. (In the End, nothing we say or do in this lifetime will matter as much as the way we have loved one another...)

Thanks Again,
Tim
www.freedom4lifesite.biz

Hi Vasili,
I will do that and see what else I can learn.

Thanks for Your Help,
Tim

www.freedom4lifesite.biz

Hi Tim,

Very nice site and links and all seemed to work well..those I tried. I see you already got all the help you need but just puttin' in my two cents. Good luck with all.

Hi Beegud2,
Thank you and I wish you all the luck in the world and all it has to offer.

God Bless,
Tim

www.freedom4lifesite.biz

Hi All,

This is Tim I Have made a few changes in my site to tell people about the business I am in would like to see any comments what you think.

Thanks,
Tim
www.freedom4lifesite.biz

I had trouble getting to your homepage, but when I refreshed my browser it worked. (Not sure what that was about) You have a good message here, I think if you added the word FACT: and then your message and concerns, "could be effective".

Hi Custome Lady,

I don't know on my home page what happen and thanks for you input.

Tim
www.freedom4lifesite.biz

Very nice site indeed ... but unless I end up hitting the word "contact", I go no further on your site ... to me I would only hit the word contact if I wanted to contact you ... it was only after coming on here and reading that I went back into your site looking for where the rest of it was ... I believe your drop down menu should be on your index page, the page that the link takes us directly to, I notice others have said this, so if you have made changes they are not showing up for me ... Unless I read I do not know that your site goes further ....

Hi LadyEye,

Thank you for your input I will change contact on the button and make some other changes.

Thanks Again
Tim

www.freedom4lifesite.biz