New Domain using keyword

CarbonTerry · #1 04-04-2008, 04:19 PM

Hello,
Beth has been kind enough to help me but I thought that this would be an excellent time/place to seek additional info.
A domain name that uses my principal keyword(s) is available.
I am using xxxxx's for the real domain that I would like to keep private until I make a purchase(s).
One is www.xxxx-xxxxxx.com the other is www.xxxxxxxxx.biz (same keywords except for the " - " in the .com domain
Would either have an advantage over the other?
If I chose to do a redirect and a customer entered "xxxxxxxxxx" would this be seen as a website in the SE listings?
or, I choose to use the domain as another website.I would have to use similar info on the new site as on the current site. Notice I said similar and not duplicate. Images would have different alt tags and names.
Can I penalized for "duplicate content"?
If so, there are many websites (none that I own) that carry myproducts and use content very, very similar to waht I currently use. Am I being penalized for that?
Thanks

LadyEye · #2 04-04-2008, 08:40 PM

eh Terry, Beth's been travelling but recently said she'd be along here soon ..
I'll give you my personal thoughts, I'd likely choose the - as opposed to the .biz, the worst about it is anyone remembering to use the -, but it's likely better since it's a .com and the se's seem to have no difficulty using - in anything, seems an advantage if there is one .bah on the .biz, lol - if you purchase both and do a redirect, it doesn't mean you'll get a double listing, your redirect doesn't have any content on it, or it shouldn't, but anyone typing in the address bar would be redirected ..
Duplicate, there is a lot to take into consideration on this, but, I'd aim for 70% new content to avoid duplicate content between your own sites, I'd say you are fine with the fact others are selling the same products, again there is much to consider on this one.
P.S. your siggie is very long, much longer than it should be, if u can do anything to shorten it up that'd be great, just to stay withi the terms, I at least see one duplicate, and what about these two new ones :(

I don't believe you've seen this thread Terry ..

CarbonTerry · #3 04-06-2008, 01:02 AM

LadyEye

Thanks for the info about the siggie. I didn't realize that there was a limit to the # of URLs that could be listed. And also for the tip about my promotion!!!

I have not been really clear about my concerns.

When a prospective customer enters my main keyword (or at least one of the most common terms) my site comes up page 4 on Google. It's much higher (usually page 1) on other SE's.
Still, Google is my concern.
I think, correct me if I'm wrong, that if I had an URL that was the same as the search term, I would have to be pretty high in the Google returns (eventually)?
Would a redirect help me then using the new site?

What would constitute "new content"?
All images would have different alt tags.
Of course my keywords would be repetitive.

LadyEye · #4 04-06-2008, 03:13 AM

yw terry ..

first ..

your archery domain - is it 4 sale? or perhaps the link is incorrect? U need to check ..

LadyEye · #5 04-06-2008, 03:20 AM

While I was looking Terry I noticed that you could add a fair bit more to your page titles and descriptions. Remember, these are the words that tend to get listed on the search pages and need to match up of course, with your page content. Text that is. So, I'll bet you can do a whole lot better than page 4 if u wanted to look into it and apply that logic. Your websites are really really nicely presented Terry, always.
Having your "Keywords" in your domain name is without a doubt, totally relevant, useful and helpful in terms of your listing. It's always good if the name says it all. I find redirects useful to point to a website that would have the same content, e.g., a .com and a .net extension of the same domain name, or perhaps an old website name and you were going with a fresh new domain name but keeping the website, I would still keep my old domain and redirect ..or sometimes domain names that are close in wording, I'd probably buy both. I cant say that a redirect would help you with the new site, even without seeing the name - reason, because of the - and or the .biz - both are not so common .. but I wouldn't count out other opinions. But it's my thought that a redirect is used to do just that, to redirect from something someone would potentially type in to find your domain, or following a link that has been planted and the site or page has been moved or changed - typing in the - , is also not so common, nor is the .biz .. so I don't think so in this case.
Well we know that alt tags are used on images to identify them in the case they do not load or can't be seen by some, and well you may or may not have different names for them, you might call a mountain, a mountain, I might call a mountain a hill, however, all within reason, but this isn't going to count or contribute much to your duplicate content. If you did create two websites, you wouldn't use duplicate keywords. Your writings about your product would need to be different, otherwise it would be seen as duplicate, and your keywords should reflect your writings, so no, you wouldn't use duplicate keywords. Images, in fact would be fine, and preferred and a different text description and content is what you would want to do and for certain a different navigation, linking and page naming, then I'd say you would be okay and would not be considered duplicate content. Now, here is something u might think about .. the domain name is not everything, if you cannot get your preferred domain name in a .com extension, you might consider other names and get a .com. You can apply the writings on your website to reflect your content in it's preferred name, even while your domain name is not the exact keywording you are looking for .. yes you can.

CarbonTerry · #6 04-06-2008, 04:11 AM

I submitted a support ticket a couple of hours ago. I'm not sure why I am offline. I checked my modernbilling account and I have no outstanding invoices??????

CarbonTerry · #7 04-06-2008, 04:21 AM

As far as content, my index page for redhawk is the centerpiece of the site. Visitors can reach my index page and then go directly to the page that the photos and the first text link point to. The linked page produces 99% of income from the site.
I hesitate using precise names as these forum pages can show up in searches eventually.
Let me ask the question somewhat differently.
My main keyword(s) are xxxx xxxxx, or xxxxxxxxx.
Would a site URL xxxx-xxxxx.com or xxxxxxxxx.biz be of any advantage as a redirect for any of the above keyword searches to get to my current URL?
Sorry if I am being dense about this.

Vasili · #8 04-06-2008, 05:24 AM

My 2 cents?

Avoid any symbol use in any domain that you wish to back up with a site (deem worthy of investment), be it a .COM or otherwise ..... in this instance, it looks like the greater value would be use the hyphenated domain as the re-direct (since it would likely pop as a result based on natural Searches), and the .BIZ could end up being more effective as a Content-rich and "optimized" site, relying on the better build and perfected model (if you really think a .BIZ extension plays into it: it doesn't so much anymore as it did 5 years ago, and proof is the position attained by a .NET in our group without the benefit of having any support from other domains, extensions, or lateral sites).

IMO

CarbonTerry · #9 04-06-2008, 06:16 AM

Thank you Vasili. I think I will try and redirect the hyphenated domain as a redirect. I can't see any downside other than a few $$$$'s.
I could use a slightly different (a word berfore or after) URL and avoid the hyphenated URL and still keep my primary keyword in the URL?

Vasili · #10 04-07-2008, 02:24 AM

Heck, Terry....the days of the old domain rules are pretty much shot, with all the fallout from the domain speculators and the consequences still felt today (where they are all snapped up automatically in micro-seconds and stuck in auctions), so if you are in a position where a few bucks is not an issue, then go ahead and get your best available phrase, if possible......tis better than a simple 2-3 words of they are not "natural" combinations, you know?
I use a few re-directs and forwarded 1-pagers per each "important" site myself, and am careful to do things by the old school means, but they still add up to the same thing you are facing here.....*******tion vs duplication, and being in "compliance" aqll the while creating the maximum benefit possible just because details are attended to....

The extensions aren't as much of an element in the quation, IF you remember to 'balance' values with construct as I mentioned above: compensate with more perfect builds, deeper (richer) Content, and by the time you're done, the relevance can't be ignored!

IMO

CarbonTerry · #11 04-07-2008, 07:13 AM

Thanks Vasili.
As always your comments are well taken.
I cannot see how I could have content on new sites without duplication. My keywords are very precise, niche market terms.
Would it still benefit if I used a straight redirect with no content?

CarbonTerry · #12 04-09-2008, 04:19 AM

A few more thoughts.....
the perfect URL for me would be www.asdfghjk.com
This site already exists but has nothing to do with my products. It's a completely different area however, it is a perfect match for my main keyword.
If I Google " asdfghjk " this website never appears in the search results. How could similar URLs help me if they were just a redirect?

Vasili · #13 04-09-2008, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CarbonTerry

Thanks Vasili.
As always your comments are well taken.
I cannot see how I could have content on new sites without duplication. My keywords are very precise, niche market terms.
Would it still benefit if I used a straight redirect with no content?

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarbonTerry

A few more thoughts.....
the perfect URL for me would be www.asdfghjk.com
This site already exists but has nothing to do with my products. It's a completely different area however, it is a perfect match for my main keyword.
If I Google " asdfghjk " this website never appears in the search results. How could similar URLs help me if they were just a redirect?

"NO" and "They can't -- much" Simple re-directs cannot help if they do not have a simple one-page Content base to re-direct from, as that would be "forwarding" and not re-direction!

Only static elements get "read"/cached, and for all intents and purposes, the Page Title is still the most important elment and needs to be present to associate any value or "relevance" to the URL and forward to another URL or "site" .......

There are scripts available to allow the one simple page with limited content to automatically be re-directing after a set time rather than make the visitor physically do it themselves.

You need to make up your mind ..... re-direct or forward, and whether or not your effort is worthy to lock up the availability "prematurely" (get the domain while still available, only to do an auto-direct by script from a one page) or simply forward it and place all your value on the primary site.

CarbonTerry · #14 04-10-2008, 03:45 AM

Vasili,
Thank you for your patience and willingness to answer my questions !!!
I think that the "forwarding" concept is my original thought. Buy the domain name(s), add relevant content (small amount?) and then use the script to forward to my established website.
woohoo......with your help, I have seen 'The Light."
Is there a method (AWstats?) to determine traffic from a "forwarded" URL?

I am still not able to figure out why my main site is so far down the SE results when compared to competitor's. I think that mine is far more optimised than others (of course, I would..duh) Could it be that in my attempt to optmise that I am actually seen as spamming?
www.redhawk-archery.com

Thanks

CarbonTerry · #15 04-10-2008, 04:56 AM

Thanks Vasili,
By spamming I meant just throwing in keywords that did not follow a logical sequence and the like.
There are other URL's that I have control of that are listed high but these are niche market terms.
On any other SE my redhawk website is postioned very high. Usually p1 or p2 that's where I am in a quandary about Google. (me and the rest of the world!!).
I am going to purchase a couple of relevant keyword/domain names as forwarders and see if I can detect an increase in my sales.