getting my notes into my web site

bill morton · #1 12-29-2006, 03:36 AM

id 11595 mortonnotes (unpublished)

Question 1. I have uploaded a set of my word notes into the public html file in my file manager. In my old web site that I started but have not published I have some other word notes. How do I transfer the recently uploaded file into the other material (old web site - unpublished) that I have started?

Question 2. When I look at the contents of the word file in my file manager, it shows a lot of gobledegook (to me) at the top and the bottom. Will this show on my web site when published? If so, how do I get rid of it without losing the original notes?

Question 3. The contents of my word notes show all the lines as continuous. I want it to have the same form and layout as my original word notes. How can I achieve this objective?

Bethers · #2 12-29-2006, 03:48 AM

Bill - where do you want these notes to show up? I just answered your other thread - on the same subject, basically - and I don't see why you are uploading these files - don't you want these to be on your pages? And are you building in BV? If so - you need to copy and paste the words into a text element on the pages. Or you can take them from your notes and copy and paste into an html box if you have formatted them using html.

bill morton · #3 12-31-2006, 02:57 AM

Your question 1. where do you want these notes to show up? I hope my other thread answers this question
Your question 2 I don't see why you are uploading these files - don't you want these to be on your pages? Yes
Your question 3. Are you building in BV? If this question means -Am I using blue Voda to build my web site then I answer - Yes.
If so - you need to copy and paste the words into a text element on the pages. Or you can take them from your notes and copy and paste into an html box if you have formatted them using html. I suspect that I do not understand the use of the File Manager and uploading files in relation to building a web site. See my new Thread posted on this topic.
My new question 1. How do I go about changing my notes from word ?file into formatiing them using html?
In the past I have copied some notes (in word) into a text box and they did not have the same format as in the original notes. I must find a way of maintaining my original format - if at all possible.
Thank you again for your help.

bill morton · #4 12-31-2006, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bethers

Bill - where do you want these notes to show up? I just answered your other thread - on the same subject, basically - and I don't see why you are uploading these files - don't you want these to be on your pages? And are you building in BV? If so - you need to copy and paste the words into a text element on the pages. Or you can take them from your notes and copy and paste into an html box if you have formatted them using html.

I have just answered this quote but it does not appear. Perhaps I have to wait for some time for it to appear?

Bethers · #5 12-31-2006, 03:35 AM

It appeared.

You really need to use the formatting on BV - not the formatting on word - for all your formatting to appear. OR you can work in notepad (or any html editor) and format using html coding if you are familiar with it.

Using the text editor on BV is wonderful because you then can take what you've written and adjust it according to the space for the page and it will do the coding. I use a combination of both as I was used to writing in html before.

However, writing in word will not keep the formatting when it's moved over as word is not a web language.

The file manager saves all your pages and photos, etc. It isn't where individual text elements are saved. If you were wanting to link to say, a pdf document - then you would save it into your public_html and call for it as you would for a page.

bill morton · #6 01-01-2007, 01:27 AM

You really need to use the formatting on BV - not the formatting on word - for all your formatting to appear OR you can work in notepad (or any html editor) and format using html coding if you are familiar with it.
Question 1. How do I change my word files into something that allows me to put them on to my web site and they have the same format as I had in word. I do not understand how to work in note pad and I am only vaguely aware of html coding from reading a book on preparing a web site.

Using the text editor on BV is wonderful because you then can take what you've written and adjust it according to the space for the page and it will do the coding. I use a combination of both as I was used to writing in html before.
Comment. I have used this approach. However I have about 200 sets of notes in word. Many have 10 or or more acutal pages in them. Thus i would have a herculean task to try to adjust each page for many aspects.

The file manager saves all your pages and photos, etc. It isn't where individual text elements are saved. If you were wanting to link to say, a pdf document - then you would save it into your public_html and call for it as you would for a page.
Question 2. I think I understand the individual words in your above paragraph but not the meaning of the paragraph. Do you mean that once I copy and paste into the text box, I then have to save it in some form (eg pdf)? Could you expand on what you have written please?

bill morton · #7 01-02-2007, 02:27 AM

id 11585 mortonnotes
Note - I think I have typed this material previously but I cannot find it when I click on the words that allow me to display all my postings. (User CP)

I have used the copy and paste approach into a text box and have successfuly moved a word file into a new web page. However it has all of the text on the left-hand side and does not have the same format that existed in my word notes. It does not seem to copy the header I have for each page in my word file. I have saved the word file as " save as a web page" and it adds to the file name - HTML - and in upper case. When I copy and paste this material to a page in a text box, it still has the same layout as before - the material on the left-hand side of the page. Thus - apparently - save as a Web page does not appear to solve my problem.

I need a method to move my word files into my web site with (almost) exactly the same format as they appear in word.

I can fiddle around and try to change the moved material but it rates as a tedious and an even imprecise approach. Thus it does not rate as practical since I have over a 100 sets of notes on word and many of them have ten or more actual pages.

If I cannot achieve this objective, my reasona for having a web site will not prove fruitful. Perhaps this problem rates as so technical that I should submit a ticket on my problem?

Bethers · #8 01-02-2007, 03:12 AM

Ok, again - word is NOT an html editor - and saving it in word - even as a web page - is not going to give you what you want.

But you can try this - open the document you saved from word as a web page- it has an extension of .htm and it will open in a browser window. Now, right click on an empty space on this page. You will now have to find the code for the text of the page - not the header, etc - and you will copy and paste the necessary code into an html element on your website.

There is a very good chance, because you are trying to use word in a manner that it is NOT intended, that you are going to have bad coding and coding that is not compliant with today's standards.

This is not a question for technical support - as you are trying to use a program - Word - to do what it's not intended for. That's why they have programs for websites - inlcuding the BV program - Frontpage - Dreamweaver - that do have html editors - that will make the pages do what you want. It's not going to be a simple matter to take your document, with header, etc and put it on the web - from Word. If you aren't familiar with html, you are going to be spending quite a bit of time on reading the source of the page that I just described - to hopefully get the right code to input into the website.

I'm sorry to tell you this - but Word was not made for the purpose you are trying to use it. If it was as easy as moving all documents from word onto a blank webpage - there never would have needed to be web designers, etc. I'm not trying to be mean here - but there is going to be work involved - and I'm not sure you'll be able to get a good page using the method I just gave you - but you can give it a shot.

Again - it will only work if you can read the html and find the areas you need. If not, you'll need help doing that - and it might be as much work moving it as it would be to cut and paste and reformat using an actual html editor.

Andy128 · #9 01-02-2007, 03:31 AM

Well- there are several methods to get "text" to the web page.

One- is to copy/paste - and then make the corrections to tidy it up as Beth has suggested.

Two- Open your word document and go to File> and then click on
"Save as web page". **Note- this will create a .htm web page.
You need to make it an .html- simply rename it. Additionally-
if you have pictures with word wrap and headers- sometimes
they will be altered.

Three- you could save them as PDF files which are the easiest and
most universal.

Four- Copy sections to the "text" box in BV a section at a time. Reproduce the headers as desired.

As Beth stated- good sites require hard work. It will not make it self nice by itself. How well you want to present it- depends largely on how much effort you are willing to put into it.

Good luck-

**Here is a site that has done EXACTLY what you desire to do- http://bible-truths.com/

Andy

bill morton · #10 01-03-2007, 01:39 AM

Thank you for your detailed reply.
Ok, again - word is NOT an html editor - and saving it in word - even as a web page - is not going to give you what you want. Well at least I know what will not work

But you can try this - open the document you saved from word as a web page- it has an extension of .htm and it will open in a browser window. Now, right click on an empty space on this page. You will now have to find the code for the text of the page - not the header, etc - and you will copy and paste the necessary code into an html element on your website.

There is a very good chance, because you are trying to use word in a manner that it is NOT intended, that you are going to have bad coding and coding that is not compliant with today's standards.
I will try what you suggest in your next paragraphs.
This is not a question for technical support. Thanks at least I will not waste my time sending a ticket.
Question 1. Will any of the web site builders other than BV help me more to achieve what I want to achieve?
Questions 2. Should I consider paying for a Web Designer to help me?

I'm sorry to tell you this - but Word was not made for the purpose you are trying to use it. I am sorry to hear what you tell me, but I will listen!
Question 3. Would it help any if I emailed a set of my notes to you so that you can see how I lay out all my notes? I have a standard approach.
Question 4. I notice that a box exists for attachments - at least i think I saw one somewhere. Should I try to attach a set of my notes to one of my threads?
Thank you again for the trouble that you have taken.

circuspet.com · #11 01-03-2007, 01:59 AM

bill morton:

Insted of reinventing the wheel you might try a google search of animation.
there are some great sites like rainbowbridge that have many animations
you can have and even more you can buy very cheep

bill morton · #12 01-03-2007, 02:00 AM

One- is to copy/paste - and then make the corrections to tidy it up as Beth has suggested. As I have told Beth, i do not believe this approach rates as practical because of all the changes that I would have to make. However perhaps it would prove less difficult than I imagine if I can format each page by some few approaches.
Question 1. Would it help if you saw a copy of my actual notes?
Method Two- I shall try this approach.
Note - my notes do not have any pictures but they do include tables and many tables in excel.
Question 2. Will I have much the same trouble with excel as I have with word?
Three- you could save them as PDF files which are the easiest and
most universal. I shall try this approach.
Question 3. How do I save files as PDF files?
Four- Copy sections to the "text" box in BV a section at a time. Reproduce the headers as desired. Aa stated to Beth, with 100 sets of notes many with 100 of so sections in each set of notes, I doubt if practical. However see my first note above.
I am not afraid of hard work. Further I do not want a site with many, if any, bells and whistles. Probably only a 1000 or so lawn bowlers will have any interest in what I write.
Good luck- Thanks - it sounds as if I will need it!
Thank for your reference to the particular site. It looks very pretty. Since I have just finished reading Dawkins God the Delusion (a wonderful and horrifying book) the site appears to have relevance.
I have worked out a form of correspondence with Beth that appears to suit us both. If it does not suit you, please let me know.

Bethers · #13 01-03-2007, 02:37 AM

Bill - if you would like to email me one of your word documents - I'd be happy to look at it and see if there's a way to make your life a tad easier using it.

Send it to beth at moxie-enter-prises.com

And, Bill - think of it this way - the initial moving of the pages might be more work than you want but after it's done, it's not so bad. I have a friend who just retired from the legal department of a university. They had used word perfect for years and were told everything had to be changed over to word. It was as much work to do that as what you're looking at. Each document took hours - and as these were/are legal documents they couldn't afford any mistakes so it was not given to "secretaries" or "admin assistants" - each person had to do their own documents.

Programs aren't meant to be shared.

Again - email me and let me see what kind of work is involved - and what options I can find to do what you want.

CarbonTerry · #14 01-03-2007, 02:41 AM

You could do a screen capture of the WORD docs and insert them as an image?
You would have to do minimal photo editing.

Bethers · #15 01-03-2007, 02:43 AM

And, Terry - that would be worthless to se's.

CarbonTerry · #16 01-03-2007, 02:46 AM

Like the example below. It's not a fast method but neither is reformatting.

CarbonTerry · #17 01-03-2007, 02:48 AM

I dont think he's worried about SE's if his audience is 1000 viewers.

circuspet.com · #18 01-03-2007, 03:20 AM

Bethers:

Please excuse my interjections, I was under the impresion he wanted musical notes to rain down in his background. Must have confused post.

Bethers · #19 01-03-2007, 04:15 AM

lolol Terry - I don't mind other suggestions - but yep, the musical notes is another post. And, he needs to get his audience to his site - and there's probably lots more than 1000 if they can find it.

bill morton · #20 01-04-2007, 01:52 AM

If you would like to email me one of your word documents - I'd be happy to look at it and see if there's a way to make your life a tad easier using it. Thank you indeed. I will do so.
It sounds as if I shall have to work on learning how to use text boxes. At this stage they just annoy me. However when I type this note, I have not tried any of the suggestions that I have received.

bill morton · #21 01-04-2007, 01:55 AM

Thank you for your reply. Unfortunately I cannot see the relevance of animation to my problem

bill morton · #22 01-04-2007, 01:57 AM

Sorry to cause confusion between my written notes and musical notes. Perhaps I now understand your posting a little more.

bill morton · #23 01-04-2007, 02:05 AM

Thank you for your suggestion. I shall add it to my list of approaches to try.. However I have no idea how to do a screen capture etc. If you have the time, perhaps you could direct me to something written and/or a relevant tutorial if one exists. After all this , I shall have to consider writing a set of notes (non musical) on this whole topic!!!!

CarbonTerry · #24 01-07-2007, 05:32 AM

1. Open your WORD document. (100%)
2. Press the "Print Screen" key. That's next to my F12 key.
3. Open your image editing program.
(I use photoShop, so I will give the steps for that program)
4. File/New/OK/Edit/Paste
Everything that was on your screen when you pressed the "Print Screen" button should appear as an image including your WORD document.

Use the image editing program to crop out all extraneous data and you can then "Save for the Web" option to reduce file size.
The .gif format will probably work best.

You may have to use 2 images per page as the screen cannot see the whole document when it is in the 100% view.

After a few trial and error pages this will be quite simple.
If you are familiar with PhotoShop you can set up an "action" to shorten the repetitive steps.

bill morton · #25 01-08-2007, 01:06 AM

Thank you very much for this suggestion. I do not know anything about image editing programs. However I think my wife might. Thus I need to check wth her.
Question 1 Can you tell me more about .gif format. I do not know anything about it.

CarbonTerry · #26 01-08-2007, 04:02 AM

.gif is a format similar to .jpeg, however it supports transparent backgrounds and images. .
jpeg's will give a solid background color(s).
Generally, .gif is better for graphics and text whereas .jpegs work better for photos.
Note that I say "Generally" look at examples for each and make your own decision.
Make sure that you use the "Save for the Web" option and reduce your file size to suit your taste and electronic space.
Another option is to use "Pixel Resizer" or the free image editing program "paint.net" (no quote marks on either option)

Karen Mac · #27 01-08-2007, 06:00 AM

Bill

A screen shot isnt a good way to go for what you want. It wont look professional and it will look like you just took a shortcut.. which is exactly what you did.

I think what you need is to understand how the text box works in blue voda, and how to make your text look like the format of your word document? With headers and indents, and bulleted points or numbered points below, and you can do this easily enough with a little patience and tweaking after you copy and paste it into the element. It really isnt hard to do.
You could also build your site, and then save these word pages as html as suggested above, and then just LINK to them as they are, just make sure to a.) open it in a new window or b.) Make a return link to the previous page.

How you do this, is going to be dependent upon the use of your documents. Are they the main point of your site? or a reference point of your site?

If you chose to build in front page I believe it allows you to INSERT a file and if you have the converter necessary installed as part of your program it will bring in the word document. Again.. It may or may not lose some of the formatting, because word isnt an html client and wasnt written for that purpose, even tho it allows you to save as a web file.

I think you need to try to LEARN how to use the text box, and this will solve your problem. If you post the issue you are having getting it to work, we can help you there much easier than trying to reformat your documents for you.

Karen

bill morton · #28 01-08-2007, 08:50 AM

Thank you for this additional information. My material consists almost solely of text and excel material. My wife does not know whether she has an image editing program. However we have bought a cannon camera and perhaps it has some details. I shall try to find.
Would it help if you saw a copy of my material. I could email you some sets of my notes if you have the interest to look further.

bill morton · #29 01-08-2007, 09:11 AM

Thank you for your reply.
I do not understand the term "screen shot". Perhaps you can explain.
My site would not aim to sell anything. I just want to post material on lawn bowls and management. Some people may have an interest in some of my material because some of it rates as rather unusual. Thus I do not care whether it looks professional.
As I said in previous postings, I have well over a hundred sets of notes and many of these notes would have ten to twenty actual pages (not pages as per a web file).
I have tried to use the text box to alter my material but I did not have much success. If I cannot find an easier method I shall have to try to use it.
If you saw some of my material perhaps you would understand better. I could email it to you if you have further interest in my problem.

"You could also build your site, and then save these word pages as html as suggested above, and then just LINK to them as they are, just make sure to a.) open it in a new window or b.) Make a return link to the previous page."
I do not feel confident that I understand the above paragraph in your posting

"the use of your documents. Are they the main point of your site? or a reference point of your site?"
My material (sets of my notes) rate as the whole of the site.

"If you chose to build in front page"
Question 1. Does the previous phrase in you message suggest that front page can do something that Blue Voda cannot do.

I shall try to use the text box and thank you for the offer of trying to help. Thank again for taking an interest in my problem.

CarbonTerry · #30 01-08-2007, 07:04 PM

Go to one of my sites and email one page of your notes and I will see if I can figure out something for you.

Andy128 · #31 01-08-2007, 07:40 PM

Bill-

Of all that has been suggested so far- which ones have you tried?

Andy

Karen Mac · #32 01-08-2007, 09:17 PM

Bill

All site builders will build a site. Not every site builder has the exact same procedures for doing so, nor all the same features or way to do it. I suggest you TRY something of what has been suggested or PAY someone else to do it. You dont respond that you have tried any of them. I for one dont have time to keep giving you advice, or offer to do for you only for you to ask another, and go the same go around again and again.

"I can't" or "I won't" accomplishes nothing. At least try some of what is suggested before moving on, and asking again, adding more confusion than whats already here.

Karen

bill morton · #33 01-09-2007, 12:18 AM

Thank you indeed for your offer. I shall email you some material.

bill morton · #34 01-09-2007, 12:43 AM

Thank you for your reply.
I accept your criticism that I owe it to the Respondents to try their ideas. However in all of the suggestions - except learn to use the text box - I find that I do not understand what I have to do because of some aspect of their suggestion. For example, I did not know what pdf entailed so I had to go into the forum and ask that question. Now I have to find this program on the web in order to try it. Another suggestion involved image editing. I have no idea what this means and whether my wife's computer (this one) has one. So I have that path to pursue. Further I only have limited hours that I can give to this whole operation - because my wife only allows me certain times and I have other duties in my life and I like to play some games of lawn bowls. All excuses that probably will not make you any happier about my behaviour to date.
Perhaps I should pay someone but as a pensioner I have limited resources.
"I for one dont have time to keep giving you advice, or offer to do for you only for you to ask another, and go the same go around again and again."
I sympathise with your feelings. However I have very little knowledge of this whole area. I will understand if you stop giving any more advice and I accept your spanking.
' "I can't" or "I won't" accomplishes nothing. At least try some of what is suggested before moving on, and asking again, adding more confusion than whats already here.'
Fair enough - but I have embarked on several different paths which people have suggested to try to solve my problem and I give time to moving down each path. I have given highest priority to replying to people and trying to understand ideas which almost always rate as new to me. I agree it looks confusing. However I faithfully print out the ideas and try to progress each one as best I can.
Perhaps some of the above will reach your heart strings and lead to some forgiveness of my sins

bill morton · #35 01-09-2007, 12:45 AM

Andy - a fair question. See my answer to Karen.

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