Thread: Images In Tables

It would be nice if you can incoporate images and text in tables with BV. (Not background images)


Mike

You can already do this. Right click and select cell properties to insert a graphic and just double click the cell to add text.

Originally Posted by racefan20

You can already do this. Right click and select cell properties to insert a graphic and just double click the cell to add text.

Hey Racefan

That put it as a back image. I tried that before..Am i missing something?

Just to clarify why I'm asking.

If anyone here has Firefox. You know when you press Ctrl +/- it increases/decreases the size of the page.

If you were to check out MSN.com for example and try this. You will see that images along with text increase accordingly.

If you try this with with any of these sites here. the text increases but not the images, which causes overlap of text over images or text over text if tables were not used for the text.

So it would be nice to have this feature in BV, which I think Front page has if I'm not mistaken.

Or maybe there's a way and I just haven't figured it out yet.


Mike

Originally Posted by matrixxxxxx1

Hey Racefan

That put it as a back image. I tried that before..Am i missing something?

No, you did it right - I didn't fully understand what you were looking for.

Mike,

What you want is not possible using WYSIWYG Web building.
MSN uses traditional HTML (dynamic page layout = relative positioning) while BlueVoda generates CSS HTML (fixed page layout = absolute positioning). With traditional HTML is it not possible to overlap objects or position object anywhere you like, that's why BlueVoda uses CSS HTML.

Pablo

thanx

I want the same thing - in order to use tables I have to use the html box - and then that defeats using BV - I'd love to have the table function be more functional (if I remember correctly, it had this capablity in Soho - so it can be done!)

Thnx for the info Pablo.
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I haven't installed soho yet.
I will check it out.

Thnx Beth


Mike

Pablo,
What does Soho use that it can be done there?

On my last webhost (which I have little good to say about) I could place tables onto the pages and images into the tables and it did use css. So I'm confused. (which isn't new with me).

What does Soho use that it can be done there?

Soho is browser based (it uses your browser to display/create it's content), so it automatically supports tables.
BlueVoda is build from scratch (it does not use your browser), this means we had to implement all features ourselves. Since tables are very complex to implement, we decided to support only text for now. In the future we will try to extent the features of the tables, but there's still sooooo much to do...

Pablo

Thanks Pablo - I look forward to that being a feature - cuz you guys tell us to use tables to avoid overlapping - then make using them mean we can't really use the BV features! So I try to avoid overlap without tables - but times they would come very handy.

Overlapping is usually caused by using fonts which are not websafe.
If you use the latest version of BV you should have no problems with overlapped elements.

More about web safe fonts:
http://www.microsoft.com/typography/web/fonts/

Pablo,
I'm only using websafe fonts - and I never see overlapping on my sites on my computer, but have heard from a couple people that they see overlapping - have never been able to recreate it - and have asked other forum members - - so it's a mystery!

Originally Posted by Bethers

Pablo,
I'm only using websafe fonts - and I never see overlapping on my sites on my computer, but have heard from a couple people that they see overlapping - have never been able to recreate it - and have asked other forum members - - so it's a mystery!

Hi Beth

I'm not sure if you use Firefox. Firefox has a feature where you can choose how big you wanna view the font. Not to scare you here, but below is a snap shot of one of your links with Firefox set to view bigger font.

Allthough I leave the font set on None and probably alot of other people that use Firefox do as well, that usually shows the viewer the default setting that the web designer provided for thier website.

Anyways that might be the mystery you're looking for.

Mike

Hi Beth

You're gonna kill me, but I figured you would like to know this especially if you're doing sites for clients.

This snap shot is taken using IE. I'm sure you know this setting, but if u press view...text size....largest. You will than see the overlapping that some people probably have mentioned to you.

When I did my site, I always previewed the pages in both browsers and had my setting on largest in IE, I tried to allow enough space so I don't run into any overlapping. I also tried to use tables wherever I could. You may want to consider this for future sites.


Mike

Please note that this is a problem with FireFox in combination with CSS HTML (which is used by BV to position the objects on the page). FireFox currently cannot handle this. In Microsoft IE 7 this feature works as expected and will resize all elements and not only the text.

We could have used tradtional HTML for BV, but that would have introduced a lot of limitations, like not being able to overlap objects, or create cool menus, shapes, etc, etc. We decided to go for the modern approach and use CSS, now we only have to wait until FireFox will catch up with IE7 and the WordWideWeb will be a better place:)

Well, Pablo, as you can see from the post above yours - there is overlapping if someone sets the largest tab in IE -

I did know about that - but the other people were in IE and were NOT in largest - it's actually in a thread here somewhere - the woman has it happen on a computer at work - and we don't know why - it happens with some others, also.

I have made my sites friendly to both IE and Firefox on regular settings - but then I'll get someone who it isn't friendly to - in IE - and I never can figure why if the settings aren't changed. (And making them friendly to both - has meant some weird spacing!)

Some of your pages where created with an earlier version of BV, and that is why they still have this problem!

Solution:
1. Open all your pages with the new BV
2. Double click all text (so the underlining HTML will be regenerated)
3. Save your files
4. Republish
You now should have no longer have any problem related to text.

Reason:
Older versions of BV generated HTML in point sizes, which causes this behaviour. Newer versions (7.7 and higher) use pixels for the font size.

Thanks, I'll do that with all the A Child's Palace pages. Pinata Palace were all saved and published again last week - so it should be good!

Thanks much, Pablo - very good to know that I can easily rectify that!