Thread: Linking assistance

omgosh help me!
i finally got my index page done
dollyscreams.com
but now i cant add other pages on.
how do i do it!?!
ive watched the tutorials and they dont help me on any level.
Is there sometihng i need to do in cPanel?
or what?
im so confused

1) Dont panic....
2) Create your other pages. Have you done this?
3) Link them together as instructed in the tutorials.

This tutorial should help you to link to your other pages
http://www.vodahost.com/images/1.gif

no ive watched the tutorials many times! and they arnt helping me..
ive made basically all of my other pages...

Your poems you could publish like your index page straight to your public_html folder.

add dolls
fashion
art
and photo pages just the same also.

im so sorry i dont understand that... im so confused .. im new to this

Originally Posted by Shaymee_Shai

im so sorry i dont understand that... im so confused .. im new to this

Hi there, let me see if I can help you understand the linking process.

Just in the same way that you have made a page and named it index, saved it as index and published it as index, you need to do this in the same fashion for all of your other pages.

All other pages than the index page can have the unique name that you give them, keeping in mind the names need to be all small letters, no capitals or symbols, and no spaces unless the words in the name are joined together by the use of the _ underscore key.

So for instance if you have a page named, saved and published as dolls,
you would then apply the link to this page as http://www.nameofyourdomain.com/dolls.html

The use of the .html needs to be applied to all links that you are creating, other than the index page, to show the link address.

You should have all links to all of your pages on everyone of your pages.
In other words, if your site contains 5 pages, all 5 links should appear on all 5 pages.

You can link your pages together using the navigation bar, or the menu bar or simply text links. All tools available in your blue voda web builder.

If you use the navigation bar menu, you choose a button style and double click on it and type the address for each page as shown above. You can also add a name that you choose, on the button of the page you are applying the link to. If you use text links, you highlight the word you are linking to, go to tools, insert link, and a pop up box will appear where you type the address of the page as shown in these examples.

Your buttons could look like this and the links you would need to provide.

BUTTON and then the LINK ADDRESS

Home - http://www.nameofyourdomain.com

About Me - http://www.nameofyourdomain.com/aboutme.html

Today - http://www.nameofyourdomain.com/today.html

Tomorrow - http://www.nameofyourdomain.com/tomorrow.html


Yesterday - http://www.nameofyourdomain.com/yesterday.html


Hope this helps you understand the linking process.

i have done everything you have said i pretty sure... i have named and saved my pages like youve said but they still dont seem to be working?

can you post your domain name so we can have a look? - okay I see your domain name, let me have a look

And a sample of another page that you made and published??

tks

[null, 'index', 'http://www.dollyscreams.com', '_self', 'index'],
[null, 'The Dolls', 'http://www.dollyscreams.com/dolls.html', '_self', 'The Dolls',
[null, 'Sacha', 'http://www.dollyscreams.com/dolls/sacha.html', '_self', 'Sacha'],
[null, 'Kayla', 'http://www.dollyscreams.com/dolls/kayla.html', '_self', 'Kayla'],
[null, 'Jaymee', 'http://www.dollyscreams.com/dolls/jaymee.html', '_self', 'Jaymee'],
[null, 'Gabbeh', 'http://www.dollyscreams.com/dolls/gabbeh.html', '_self', 'Gabbeh'],
[null, 'Ki', 'http://www.dollyscreams.com/dolls/ki.html', '_self', 'Ki']
],
[null, 'Fashion', 'http://www.dollyscreams.com/fashion.html', '_self', 'Fashion'],
[null, 'Art', 'http://www.dollyscreams.com/art.html', '_self', 'Art'],
[null, 'Photography', 'http://www.dollyscreams.com/photo.html', '_self', 'Photography'],
[null, 'Poems', 'http://www.dollyscreams.com/poems.html', '_self', 'Poems'],
[null, 'Other', 'http://www.dollyscreams.com/other.html', '_self', 'Other',
[null, 'Movies', 'http://www.dollyscreams.com/other/movies.html', '_self', 'Movies'],
[null, 'Friends', 'http://www.dollyscreams.com/other/friends.html', '_self', 'Friends'],
[null, 'Piercings', 'http://www.dollyscreams.com/other/piercings.html', '_self', 'Piercings'],
[null, 'Tattoos', 'http://www.dollyscreams.com/other/tattoos.html', '_self', 'Tattoos'],
[null, 'Hair', 'http://www.dollyscreams.com/other/hair.html', '_self', 'Hair']



The above is the linking code that has been applied to your website. There are alot of errors ....


You are not naming, saving and publishing your pages correctly ....


You name, save and publish all of your pages to public_html directory only and you apply the linking in the above fashion in my other post ..


So between naming pages and applying the links you have many errors.


For instance:

Name a page sacha, save it as sacha, publish it to public_html directory

retrieve and link the page as http://www.dollyscreams.com/sacha.html

If you are going to have these pages in another folder called dolls as you are linking them to ... then you would need to publish them to public_html/dolls
then the link would be http://www.dollyscreams.com/dolls/sacha.html

Either or, but you must decide. See what I mean??

when you say naming your page what do you mean?
and when saving is there anything needed after the name

Originally Posted by Shaymee_Shai

when you say naming your page what do you mean?
and when saving is there anything needed after the name

That is where you are having the problem.

When I say naming the page, I refer to what the name of the page is that you are going to publish, the name that you also save your page as. (Just as you did with the index page)

Say if your page is named sacha

Save it as sacha

publish it as sacha to public_html directory (this is naturally filled in your publishing box, if you take a look when you hit publish in your blue voda webbuilder, (where you publish your pages right))

There is nothing needed after this name when you are publishing. Only when you apply the linking do you add .html

You then link to this page as http://www.dollyscreams.com/sacha.html


The whole process can seem a bit confusing at first, but once you get the hang of it and understand how the directories and linking works, you will find it a breeze. Think of it in terms of a "Filing System" ... I am going to put my page sacha in the public_html folder, so now that is where I will find it. You see the public_html directory (or simply called a folder) is the folder that contains all your pages to your website (unless you do things differently, which is not necessary in your case)

your being really helpful but i am still very extremly beyond confused.
thankyou for your patience so far.
when you say public_html directory when i publish i am continously publishing there.
im an currently trying to publlish the page jaymee.
i have saved it only as jaymee
im pretty sure ive named it jaymee and ive tried publishing it and yet it still wont work?

Hi me again. ... just wanted to remind you not to forget, that you will need to save and republish these pages correctly again okay ...

Once you have the correct menu in place with all your pages and their links, you could then copy and paste that menu on everyone of your pages to make things easier for you ....

Use the copy and paste icon at the top of your blue voda web builder, instead of right clicking, this should place the menu, once fixed on all of your pages ... will make it easier and less time consuming for you ....

Originally Posted by Shaymee_Shai

your being really helpful but i am still very extremly beyond confused.
thankyou for your patience so far.
when you say public_html directory when i publish i am continously publishing there.
im an currently trying to publlish the page jaymee.
i have saved it only as jaymee
im pretty sure ive named it jaymee and ive tried publishing it and yet it still wont work?

let me see what I can see with this page ... jaymee you say ...

be right back ...

http://www.dollyscreams.com/jaymee.html

Okay, this is the page you have named, saved and published correctly ...

You see the above address, that is the link that needs to be applied to the navigation menu from your main index page ...

This page is published on the internet, I can view it ....

You have instead linked it as http://www.dollyscreams.com/dolls/jaymee.html

You see you are adding dolls to this link, remove dolls and link as http://www.dollyscreams.com/jaymee.html


Or if you wanted to use the link http://www.dollyscreams.com/dolls/jaymee.html

Then you would have to make a folder within public_html called dolls and then you would publish to public_html/dolls

Easier to just stick with public_html and removing dolls from the link ... see what I mean??

when ive published a page already such as my index and need to change sometihng do i merely republish it?

Originally Posted by Shaymee_Shai

when ive published a page already such as my index and need to change sometihng do i merely republish it?

Yes, now I believe you are putting this altogether. You are going to be very successful with all of this ....

omg you are amazing it worked! thankyou so much!!
no one could have made me understand that like you did!!!! im beginging to understand this stuff!!! THANKYOU SO MUCH! if i have any more trouble ill make sure i come to you :D

Originally Posted by Shaymee_Shai

omg you are amazing it worked! thankyou so much!!
no one could have made me understand that like you did!!!! im beginging to understand this stuff!!! THANKYOU SO MUCH! if i have any more trouble ill make sure i come to you :D

Shaymee .... I am very proud of you!!! Way to go ... now you have a busy day!! Glad you have it sorted ... I'll have a look later on and see how you are mastering the plan!!

A big congrats to you - and you are more than welcome!!

P.S.

I always liked trouble, lol, at least that's what my dad used to say, ha ha!!

Have a great one!!

Yay LadyEye Saves the Day! I was sleeping, but glad to read this thread and yes Im also proud of you. You came a long way last night as i slept.

Only had a couple of comments that you may consider...

Originally Posted by LadyEye

All other pages than the index page can have the unique name that you give them, keeping in mind the names need to be all small letters, no capitals or symbols, and no spaces unless the words in the name are joined together by the use of the _ underscore key.

It is ok to use Capitals and you can also space words with a - key.

Originally Posted by LadyEye

You should have all links to all of your pages on everyone of your pages.
In other words, if your site contains 5 pages, all 5 links should appear on all 5 pages.

Somtimes you dont actually want all your pages to link to all others. This can adversely affect the Google Page Rank of your main page. If you do this, your whole site will share the PR evenly distributed, but there are alternative methods of linking to your home page so that your home page or another important page can have a higher portion of the PR.

I hope this helps.

Well DONE to both of you for making it through this one!

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• Make pages for users, not for search engines. Don't deceive your users or present different content to search engines than you display to users, which is commonly referred to as "cloaking."
• Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"
• Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.
• Don't use unauthorized computer programs to submit pages, check rankings, etc. Such programs consume computing resources and violate our Terms of Service. Google does not recommend the use of products such as WebPosition Gold™ that send automatic or programmatic queries to Google.

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• Avoid hidden text or hidden links.

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I also believe there to have been no reason for you to now add what might be confusion to this, you can see that we had some difficulties throughout the posts here, and Shaymee is now happily linking her pages together ....

AHHHHHH.. the wisdom of a woman. LOL You just can go wrong with it!!!
You are really good!!!!

Originally Posted by LadyEye

Make pages for users, not for search engines. Don't deceive your users or present different content to search engines than you display to users, which is commonly referred to as "cloaking."

• Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"
• Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.
• Don't use unauthorized computer programs to submit pages, check rankings, etc. Such programs consume computing resources and violate our Terms of Service. Google does not recommend the use of products such as WebPosition Gold™ that send automatic or programmatic queries to Google.

What I was referring to was not cloaking, a linking scheme, or anything of that nature. I'd be more than willing to explain what I was referring to but THIS PAGE does it best. Pay particular attention to the INTERNAL LINKING section.
I agree to make your pages for your users, but also keep in mind that Search Engine's do exist and they are commonly how users get to your site to begin with. It's ok to internally link in an intelligent way to help your rankings with the SE's. It's a part of Search Engine Optimization.

Alex

Sorry, but I don't want to play ... I am happy the pages are able to be linked together and feel over time and with further experience Shaymee can further look into these other areas. Much work is needed firstly.

Thanks Saman

Originally Posted by aconstas1

Somtimes you dont actually want all your pages to link to all others. This can adversely affect the Google Page Rank of your main page. If you do this, your whole site will share the PR evenly distributed, but there are alternative methods of linking to your home page so that your home page or another important page can have a higher portion of the PR. I hope this helps.!

Alex, you are off base with this statement, which tends to lead others into the wrong understanding, despite your willingness to assist your peers! This seems to be an emerging trend, unfortunately.

Your index/home page is the first and most important item that is microscopically examined, and originates the logical construct for all interior navigation of the site: if a page is not linked to the index page, it may actually be “lost” by the spiders and future caches even if there is a ror.text file to instruct them to do so……if it does not look logical or truly part of the site (via links to index) it is seen as a “rogue”/uncharacterized element (possibly a counterfeit, or “planted” exploitation, false relevance), which has detrimental value for the whole site itself.

The very opposite is true to that statement: if all pages are not properly linked to the index page, they pose a greater risk of the entire site being evaluated as less than desirable “construct” and “relevance” by the SE’s and the bot spiders, despite site maps, ROR files, or other exploitative methods.

* This also hints at the unresolved debate over the use of iFrames, and how the practice has evolved into a favor of dynamic pages (i.e. php), completely side-stepping the earlier agreed favored G3 code: CSS. The SE's need to establish that hard-link relevance of navigation, and iFrames pretty much eliminated that metric....

LOL ok General. So you're telling me all your Thank You pages and Error pages are properly linked to by your index page and i can access them via hyperlink from all of your pages, not just as an action.
Look at all the major web sites.
You cannot access all their pages from their index page... that statement is a little exaggerated don't you think?

My intentions are not to argue, I understand both of your points. I understand what you guys are referring to, but i'm also trying to teach someone something that i have learned from several different resources.

Even NavalDesign in one post i read just the other day about using inline frames as a solution to someone wanting to make a change on one page that would affect all their pages, reaffirmed what I'm talking about. Not all pages will look the same and be accessible from every other page. From SEO standpoint in my link above, it even says that it may not be desireable in some instances....

KEY PHRASE: 'some instances"

I was not telling this person what their instance was, just giving them something to think about that perhaps later they can refer to for guidance and instruction.

I assure you my intentions are sincere and I have the upmost respect for both of you and your superior knowledge and experience web building. But I also think I'm right in my statements.

Email confirmation pages and submittal forms are not part of your site content, but are confined within the actionable file system they were written: having an icon to return visitors to the last page viewed, or to close the window is a convenience you are providing, that's all.
Pulling this as an example is pretty weak....this whole thread was about the difficulty one was having linking pages of a site, and how navigation is an important construct.

And, frankly, I have yet to find a "major website" that does not offer visitors clearly defined navigation to their pages....even if a page is sequenced as part of a process (a series of forms, or steps being filled out), this is still confined to a specific process, an action, and is not part of the relevance construct, is it? Whether you see fit to place a navigational option or not on these pages matters not! The "Back" button on the browser is always there....that is why on secured processes, login might be required once again, correct?

What is so hard to understand?

iFrames are an easy way to set something up for global changes, or identical display, but they are not SE-firendly or function universally in all browsers (items in the tool are not seen as individual elements --- rather like trying to tell what color the shirt is wrapped in a box). That is why php and the BV-php method is gaining use, as it should.


That is why people post...to understand and to solve their present challenges. They certainly do not expect incorrect information or confusing instructions, and I believe members of this forum deserve proven solutions they can use and reliable expertise they can depend on...don't you?

Ok I will bow out gracefully as I do not wish to incite an agry mob or something.

Personally, I do not believe that it is necessary to complicate matters when the problem Shaymee was having was naming, saving, linking and republishing ... You will find many posts that refer to the use of all small letters for naming. Reason - so that there are not complications. I saw this to be the case ...

Alex - Why complicate matters ?? Do you see what I mean?

I don't believe I ever made and published an error page. I believe I've done all of this through my control panel, much different in my opinion ...

And further, I don't want my thank you pages seo'd - for many of my own reasons ....

Originally Posted by aconstas1

Ok I will bow out gracefully as I do not wish to incite an agry mob or something.

No need to "bow out" really, but you should "step up" only when you are sure of what you offering to others!

It is the only way to earn thanks from your peers, and sure beats collecting blame, right?
LOL

Eggsactly ....

My mother always said, "crawl before you walk" ...

And then it was always "One step at a time"

And of course "Walk, Don't Run"

hmmm ... wonder why I had so many skinned knees ... lol

Okay New problem!
im finding that only sometimes i find my page, other times it goes to a site with a the same domain. This is really irritating.... can i fix it?!?!

oh

oops didnt mean to post a single oh sorry
i meant to say oh my domain it dollyscreams.com for anyone new to this forum thing

Originally Posted by Shaymee_Shai

Okay New problem!
im finding that only sometimes i find my page, other times it goes to a site with a the same domain. This is really irritating.... can i fix it?!?!

When you finally do get to your website in your browser (I think it is because you are typing it in incorrectly), simply go to "Favorites" at the top of your broswer's toolbar and click on Add To Favorites....and then you need only use the saved drop-down list to always get to your own site properly every time!

yeah that would work and all if i could get to my site... and that wont work for other people trying to go to my site. because other people are having the same problem as me.

One more time? Your site is www.dollyscreams.com correct?

And this is not your site?

Welcome To Dolly Screams.
This Page is dedicated to the young creative minds of teenagers in South East Queensland. Here you'll find artwork, fashion designs, photography, poems and our other interests

What site name (check the exact spelling of your VodaHost account Confirmation Email if need be) have you been publishing to if not the above??


If you are having trouble seeing your newly published pages after previewing them, you need to refresh your browser to load the newest page live (make sure it is truly on the www and not your local browser)!

LadyEye Rocks

Originally Posted by VodaHost

LadyEye Rocks

Yes....she is passionate in helping others!


I guess that means I just rock the boat?



....maybe I should not respond to emails asking me to get involved anymore...

Dear Lady eye, (you do have gorgeous eyes)
My website is kundeshwari.com - listed with vodahost. i have uploaded the file in a folder called members inside public_html. I put abutton called Guidance-in-love on the first page - Index. But when the visitor clicks it, he does not get the file. I have given the file URL http://www.kundeshwari.com/(filename).doc Plz. do help.

You may have added an incorrect extension....and possibly mis-named your index page.

Your index page needs to look like this: www your site name.com/index.html (all lower case) at all times, especially when publishing in Blue Voda.
To publish the paqge in BV, you need only Save the page as index and use the Publish feature within BV (not via FTP): and the dialog box in BV should look like this: public_html/ (with nothing added here by you).

Back to the ".doc" issue....
Are you referring to a downloadable document (a PDF file) or a web page?

Originally Posted by VodaHost

LadyEye Rocks

I like that ... but I say "Voda Rocks"

ty ***** ... it's so nice when the feeling is mutual!!!!!

Quit your whining Vasili, you Rule!! LOL

Originally Posted by honey

Dear Lady eye, (you do have gorgeous eyes)
My website is kundeshwari.com - listed with vodahost. i have uploaded the file in a folder called members inside public_html. I put abutton called Guidance-in-love on the first page - Index. But when the visitor clicks it, he does not get the file. I have given the file URL http://www.kundeshwari.com/(filename).doc Plz. do help.

Why ty honey ...

http://www.kundeshwari.com is your website ...

Your directory for this website is public_html

You have added a folder called members inside of public_html

So the link, because you added a folder and put your document in there, needs to go like this ------> http://www.kundeshwari.com/members

Now that you have put the document in that folder .... the link to your document should be ...

http://www.kundeshwari.com/members/nameofdocument.doc or .pdf - depended on the document type you uploaded.

This all too, if you have uploaded this document to the members file ...

And like Vasili says, we need to know what type of document, or if it was just another page .... let us know, we'll be around ...

Originally Posted by Shaymee_Shai

yeah that would work and all if i could get to my site... and that wont work for other people trying to go to my site. because other people are having the same problem as me.

Shaymee ... no one can have the same domain as you ... they are truly individual ... so somehow someone has the wrong url (web address) happening there ... and sometimes this can be because they have spyware on their computer that may be redirecting their page or something ...

Always use a clean browser if you think this is happening, what I mean by this is, type in the url fresh ... no one can steal your page or your domain name ... just review your linking processes and urls again ...

I have a question about saving pages, I think this should be a new thread, however I'm unsure how to add a new thread. Just beginning with my site and I'm unsure of the saving pages process. What I've done is created a template and saved it under template so that I can locate it and add pages to it. I've saved and index page in the index folder, now as I add pages I'm also saving them to the index folder... is this correct? Rather than possibly create a mess I'd prefer to save them to the correct folder now.... I'm clear on naming pages, just want to double check where to save them to, haven't been able to find this info.

I am having major problem with my website built in blueVoda and uploaded to a third party hosting company. the pages are so distorted they are unreadable and customer service will not help me at all. Anyone out there who can help??
From Charles in Huddersfield UK

Hi Charles, BV will only work on Vodahost servers with a Vodahost account.

Good luck.