Thread: linking help please

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My website (http://www.youngbull.net) can't seem to connect it's pages. I've tried everything from cPanel to FTP...

I've made the folders, and uploaded to the right folders... still nothing!

What am i doing wrong!?

~YB

Hello!

Just check that you haven't used upper case letters in your page names and lower case in your hyperlinks. This is a common reason for links not working.

i have been very careful not to use uppercase letters, so i know that's not the case
EDIT: Oh, and I'm pretty sure i named the topic "my pages won't connect!" or something, did anyone rename it? O_o

I think you are correct about the topic title. I thought I replied to that post!

Anyway, log in to your Cpanel, go into the file manager, open the "public_html folder. Your other page names should be there, (exactly same name as the link name!). If not....you are publishing to the wrong folder. When you publish; be sure to check the "folder" block when the "publish dialog window" comes up! If it isn't the proper folder address; you can change it.

Also, I noticed you selected, "_self" for the target of your links. I have never used that and have not seen a tutorial explanation for what that does. You might change that on one link and republish, to see what it does for you.

Hope you get it going....good looking site!

according to what i learned from the tutorials, _self means it opens in the same window/tab.

i have published to the right folders. but yet, the pages won't open right

You might try changing the target and remove the "_self", just to see what it does. These computers can do weird things sometimes! I have always left the target property (blank)(not _blank), when I want to open in the same window.

I just remembered.....during the first post (that disappeared!), I did connect with your "gallery". You had it addressed as http://www.youngbull.net/gallery.html but you had a subfolder named something like "Anthro"?? So by addressing gallery as youngbull.net/anthro/gallery.html; I connected with your gallery! Am I remembering that correctly?

hmm, strange, cause anthro should be inside gallery, not the other way.

as i remember it, you said you found it on just /anthro, on the first base. like gallery, links etc.

gah! still giving me a headache lol!

Well that might be! My memory is needing an upgrade with all this website building and marketing going on!! LOL

I know that in the other post I was able to get to "some gallery" of pics by typing gallery and anthro, (in some order); but now it doesn't work! So, maybe take a look at what you changed since that post that has disappeared!

all i changed was follow your advise, i went to cProfile and built the skeleton of folders. then i published to those different folder their rightful content.

but for some reason, those folders seem to work as the page, instead of the content. like earlier tries resulted in a url that would look like this /gallery/gallery/anthro/anthro.html for some odd reason

I just typed in http://www.youngbull.net/gallery/anthro/anthro.html and connected to a page of pics.
This tells me that when you published anthro.html; you changed the "folders" window of the "publish dialog" window to: public_html/gallery/anthro. Is that correct? If so, BV created a folder named "gallery" and inside that folder; it created a folder named "anthro". It then published your "anthro.html" file in that folder.

Originally you could not connect to anthro.html using this url: http://www.youngbull.net/anthro.html
I typed http://www.youngbull.net/gallery/anthro.html and connected.
I said to you to be sure that the publish dialog window (folders line), said "public_html/gallery; so that anthro.html would reside in the gallery folder. It looks like somehow you created a folder named "anthro".

I would like to hang loose here for awhile to see if those more knowledgable will offer repair advise! I have a couple ideas, but maybe they will have an easy fix!

Sorry!!

yeah, this is the way i did it;
in cP I opened the public_html, then i made afolder, this i named gallery, then i opened it, and I created another, this i named anthro.

then i uploaded.
the gallery page to public_html/gallery, anthro to public_html/gallery/anthro. and repeated the process for everything in my site.

was this wrong? cause it sure seemed right at the time.

hmmm ..okay.... well

Can you tell us how many images you intend to have on your website and whether or not this Anthro page is the only page that will have images or if you intend on having a gallery with several of these Anthro type pages ???? I am just trying to get a feel as to whether or not you need all of these extra folders.

erm, i'm going to have 48 images, each on their own page with description and with links back, home, and contact. everything is set, only getting it fit together is the issue.

from index i'm planning 6 exits, 5 of which are linked to (one secret, which you'll have to type in the url to. for PG protection, includes my more bloody art) these would be gallery, bio, links, contact, guestbook and blood.

inside blood i will be having 2 images. inside gallery i will have 3 alternatives, anthro, love, and comission. inside anthro, i will have 23 images. inside love i will have 23 images. inside comission i will have an additional 3 choices; free, paid and fanart. all of which will be pretty much blank at the moment.

inside contact i will have a form, (so far, i have named the inside folder action, as well as the thank you page inside it.)
bio will be just a page with info on my life.
links will be apage of links to places to find me.
and the guestbook will be a page with the vodahost guestbook implemented.

Okay, I must admit, it took me a bit, but here is my suggested plan ..
And if you did want to do this then you should remove those folders from your public_html directory that you created (do not remove your public_html directory, only those folders, love, gallery, anthro)... and any pages that will not be used. I wrote alot, but it's not all that much work really .. okay ..

With 48 images and not a lot of other pages I don’t think it’s necessary for you to use any more directories (folders) other than your main public_html folder to do your publishing. This will make linking much easier for you and anyone visiting your site too. There is one other directory though that you should create, and that is a password protected directory. This is where you want to keep secret those bloody photos. This would work well for you. You then publish those pages that belong in the secret directory to public_html/members and from what I gather it would be the two images – perhaps if they both fit on one page you only need to make one page called blood and publish this page to public_html/members - and when someone went to this page they would be prompted to enter a username and password, this makes this secret, of course you would need to supply them with the username and password.

From the main page you want the viewers to go to a gallery page that lists 2 links leading to anthro, love – okay, no problem and I still don’t think you need to create another directory, just continue to make more pages, and you will need to decide how you will lay out the photos though. .25 photos for anthro and 23 for love - do you intend on creating slideshows, photo albums, laying the images out onto the page ? – be sure your images are optimized as well .. if you lay the images out onto the page be careful how many you put to a page and dependent how many pages you make to hold the 25 anthro photos you can name your pages, anthro1, anthro2, anthro3,.etc.

I don’t see a need for the commission page unless you were going to be getting into affiliate sales – this would then be different .

Instead, your nav button could say art and when they go to the art page you offer the Free Art, Paid Art, and Fan Art, but you should also have this listed on the index page too, as part of your main navigation, especially since you intend on selling your art. You also have free art, people love free art and that is a good drawing card for you, bring this up front, you don’t want to bury these pages to only be found by visiting the other pages .. in fact you could even take a few of your images and create 200 x 200 cube looking images to use as a design on your front page and lay text on top – free art – paid art – fan art – and then link those images to those three pages you create.

Your main menu on your pages could look like this:

Bio
Art – link to art.html
- Free Art – link to freeart.html
- Art for Sale – link to artforsale.html
- Art for Fans – link to artforfans.html
Gallery – link to gallery.html (and from the gallery page – love.html and anthro.html)
Members – link to members/blood.html
Contact –
Links

The only pages that would be published to another directory other than public_html would be the blood pages, those pages that you want secret. Those pages would be found by www.yourdomain.com/members/nameofpage.html and of course prompted for username and password ..

All others can be published to public_html and can be found by www.yourdomain.com/nameofpage.html

I would advise against a guestbook, since they are a playground for spam and you cannot control what gets entered, you can only delete the posts and ban the ip addy as opposed to moderating them, and this would turn into a full time job. There are a few options for this if you wanted interaction, one is a forum, another a blog . not sure if a shout box has spam control or not, I have never personally used one.

as it seems you don't realy understand the way i've wanted the site, i'll include some pictures.
index:
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...bull/index.jpg
gallery:
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...ll/gallery.jpg
gallery/anthro:
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...ull/anthro.jpg
example of a picture(gallery/anthro/airtrip:
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...bull/image.jpg


and the secret page was not intended as kept for members, just kept aside. as in, you come to the site, and can only see the normal stuff, unless you know URL. that way i would be secure from PG critique. as there is no real obvious way to get to it.

I may cut out the guestbook, as I already have comments as an option in contacts.

comissions isn't just for stuff i make for others, but also things others make for me.

that's basically it.

i thank you for your help, but that solution just isn't right for my website. XD

Please be patient with us! We really are tryiong to help.

When I first responded to your post I did so, not with the intention of redesigning your site, but to let you know that the url that you were using wasn't correct because the page you wanted was not residing in the public_html folder. Instead, it was in the "gallery" folder. So the correct url was http://www.youngbull.net/gallery/anthro.html.

Based on the pics in the post just below; you do not need any folders other than the "public_html" folder. Gallery, Anthro, Love, etc. are just web pages. Each has link buttons to the next pages. So each of them should be published to your "public_html" folder.

There are other ways to do what you are doing, but as I said before; it's not my place to try to redesign your site. You are well on your way; you just have to get your linking straightened out.

I apologize if I sent you down the wrong path!!

Good luck to you.

Sorry, I know I am joining this post a bit late but I am trying to get my head around this one and what you are trying to do and why you have gone about it in the way you have?

Tell me.... Are you trying to create a site whereby viewers can see certain images but then only certain other people (members, paid or not) then get to view pictures others can't?

If this is the case this is so much easier to do than what you have done.

Let me know if this is what you want to do and we can explain this very easily to you.

Originally Posted by judavvforum

You might try changing the target and remove the "_self", just to see what it does. These computers can do weird things sometimes! I have always left the target property (blank)(not _blank), when I want to open in the same window.

Ok, putting _self in the target field does nothing more than if you left it just empty.

BV is set to automatically open pages this way by default and so you don't actually have to put anything in this drop down option.

However, one useful thing it can do is open a page in a new window. You do this by putting _blank in the option. But you only really want to use this feature if you are say linking to another website. This way, if the viewer clicks on this link, when they are finished with that site and close it down, yours remains on their PC.

I do understand how you want your website, however I don't believe all the extra directories you create are necessary so therefore I tried to show you a simpler way. I still do also suggest if you are going to be selling art that you announce this on your main page, ..

you can, create as many directories as you like, if, you be sure where you are going to publish each page to and how to retrieve it...
If you create a folder for gallery in your public_html directory and then publish a page called anthro to it - you will need to be sure to type /gallery after public_html in the publish area and you will need to then use the gallery folder in your link as well www.urdomain.com/gallery/anthro.html

The links must be pointing to the page location ..

And .. unless pages are password protected they can be found on the internet, so a secret page just doesn't really exist, and if you are thinking PG perhaps you might seek further information in regards to any disclaimers or announcements you might need to make.

to judavvforum: no, you was a lot of help. my reply about the solution being unfit was a response to lady eye. and thank you again for the tip, i'll definitely be trying that.

to marincky: no, my website is not meant to have any members, only visitors. i might add a paypal thing at a later time for donations...

My website is merely meant as a web-gallery everyone can go to to look at my work. or get to know something about me.

there is one more thing i'm wondering tho. How can you make it so images on a site can't be "right-clicked"? (that way people wouldn't be able to copy/save my images from my artsite.)

I thank you all for your help :3 and i will be trying that tip of yours judavv. and tell you all how it went here.

Well I agree totally with Lady Eye that you don't need all these folders, or folders within folders, you are just going to make it very hard on yourself.

Just publish your pages including images to your public_html folder as Lady suggested. If at anytime you DO want to limit who sees these images, that's when you add a folder inside the public_html folder and password protect it and publiush all THOSE pages within.

Don't bother trying ANY Right click disable scripts, there are ways around ALL of them.

It's unfortunate that you don't understand what LadyEye is saying to you.

The reason you are having trouble is because you are making several different folders to do what you should be doing by how you name the pages.

She was trying to help and your response was inappropriate to her. The reason you are confused is because of how you made all the different folders/directories - and then got yourself confused in publishing and linking them.

All this said - yes, you can continue to do it as you have been - but I certainly wouldn't say she didn't understand, nor would I say her way of doing it was "unfit" - it just might be you are not willing to change the way you do it - and that IS your perrogative.

-sigh- i do not look for an argue...

and i did realize the problem was in the folders i created.

the only thing i meant by "unfit" was that the solution (as a whole) did not fit the way my website is planned. i do not want every page to be based on the front page, like;
www.etcetc.blah/image1.html as contra to
www.etcetc.blah/gallery/subgallery/image1.html
the way i want it is more tidy as you actually know where you are by looking at the url.
the solution in question is her post #2 in this topic.

i am thankful for her help, but that way just didn't "fit" my design.

mine is a straight-forward page-to-page website, not a website where you have to go to the index every time you want to do something.
that is why i have included all the different links to every single page. even the ones images are on..

i'm sorry if i hurt in any way. but i'm just trying to do this the way i wanted it.

The design has NOTHING to do with how you name your pages or what folder you put them in. I think YOU are lost here - and we are simply trying to make it EASIER for you. If your pages are in all those folders - it is NOT a simple page-to-page website - whereas that is what we are trying to help you achieve.

Somewhere you aren't understanding how to create your navigation - but as I said, and as Ramsey said, it's up to you how you do it - if you choose the hard way - we'll all leave you alone.

It's not about arguing - we're trying to HELP. You aren't understanding - not the other way around.

i don't know what your problem is Bethers. :3
I'm here trying to understand how to build my first website. and if i have decided on a way i want the navigation, then help me customize my navigation. and incase you missed it, i've been using smilies to illustrate mood.
i appreciate ALL the help i've gotten, both that which have been off from my idea, and that which have been helpful towards my idea.

so far, thanks to judavv, i've gotten as far as this: www.youngbull.net ^^ everything whithin one branch of my index page is working, but not past my gallery page etc.

instead of just telling me i'm not understanding and walk away, why don't you try help me and maybe i *will* understand. as i said in the start of the page, i'm no mastermind, i can't just be told do this and this, i need to be told where that "this" is. and how to do it. XD
not to mention how that would result. try understanding how i want things before you go on telling me how you would like me to do it.

is it too much to ask for? :3

Alright youngbull!!

You got it!!

hehe, no, you did it. can still not think of a way to get past /gallery/ tho

It's very very simple.

Remove the gallery file from your server completely...

then create a page called 'anthro', one called 'love_art' and one called 'commission'

Then simply link to those pages like thus:

http://www.youngbull.net/anthro.html

http://www.youngbull.net/love_art.html

http://www.youngbull.net/commission.html

Place the images for each page ON their correct pages and then just publish it ALL to the public_html folder.

Done!!!

ok, but wouldn't that make it impossible to get to the anthro etc pages? the gallery pages saves the frontpage for a lot of links.

I tried your way, but I still can't find http://www.youngbull.net/anthro.html or anything else under gallery etc.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...l/mycPanel.jpg
this is the way my cPanel is looking like right now, no folders, even think i accidentally deleted the cgi-bin XD

just to help you get an idea of the way i wanted this site, here's a chart. :3
index
| ---blood
| | | | |
gallery bio contact links images
| |
| | | action.php | | = succession
anthro love commission -- = not linked to
| | |
images images | | |
free paid fanart

this way the free page would be url'd http://www.youngbull.net/gallery/commission/free.html
I've been around a lot of the internet, and this is the way i see most sites being linked.
these pages you talk about, do I make them with folders?

this is the way i want it to be linked. ^^ can it be done or not?

darn, that chart looked so good. too bad it didn't make it through.

i'll try again.

Gee....last night I checked your site and the index page navigation to the next level was working!

Your chart will work. But there still isn't a need for any other folder, as I see it; unless you make "blood" in a password protected folder.

I'm not going to get in the way of the "Generals" that are helping you; just wanted you to know I'm cheering for your success!

Ok, so from your index page you link through to

Gallery Bio Contact Links.

To do this you just make pages called those names...

Then on the Gallery page you can then link to

Anthro Love Commission

again by naming and making pages entitled as above.

Then place your images on each of those three pages and publish.

Now, sorry, just explain to me what this blood page is? Is this the section you don't want passworded but you Do want as there but not linked to, so that people don't know it's there? and why would you want to do that? Explain your reason to have this in this way if I have understood correctly.

thanks judavv, you've been most helpful :3 and yes, the navigations from the index page is working. but not from the next level. :( (ie contact->action, or gallery->anthro)

you got it pretty much right, i do want ti there, not passworded, and not linked to. it's for the same reasons that I removed the link function from 2 of the names in links. if iI hadn't a PG site would not let me link to my website. (because of mature/adult content policies) blood isn't that harshly looked upon, but i'd still like it to be there but just not linked to. :3

makes sense no? (probably not, but hey XD)

Ok, so if I understand correctly you have a few drawings that are suitable for adults yes? and you don't want just anyone to see them. hmm, ok, I understand the reason for not displaying the link but now, how will people that ARE allowed to see the images going to do so?

Maybe a note on the home page telling people to email you for this link if they are over the age of... ?

Or, why don't you have the link but password protect it and tell people to email you for the code?

well, not exactly, i got nothing above mature (for blood) but some PG sites may be extreme at that point of their policies. so keeping it hidden, but not out of reach, is a good idea :3

still pondering on the page thing did you mean just adding the name of the page to the public_html/ line during publishing?

Just publish the pages the exact same way you did your index page. Leave the folder as public_html.

So just create a new page and publish it.

Forget all these folders as I think you really are going down a long confusing route.

I have several sites with hundreds of pages, one of them has just over 1500 images on it but they are all just published to the public_html folder.

hmm, i've been trying to create that new page. but somehow i just can't figgure out how.

inside cP i only got the options of new file, and new folder.
should i make a new file? (didn't seem right to me, but if so, what name and type?)

Originally Posted by Youngbull

hmm, i've been trying to create that new page. but somehow i just can't figgure out how.

inside cP i only got the options of new file, and new folder.
should i make a new file? (didn't seem right to me, but if so, what name and type?)

No no no... Stay out of the CP at this point, you create your pages on the BV web builder and publish them, just as you did your index page.

i've already made all the pages i needed. is there a certain way to link them?

Originally Posted by Youngbull

i've already made all the pages i needed. is there a certain way to link them?

Not sure if I follow you?

If your page you are trying to link to is called gallery then you would link to it thus:

http://www.youngbull.net/gallery.html

and so i have, and i've done it the same way with everything else. l:3
ike i.e the airtrip picture is linked to as http://www.youngbull.net/gallery/anthro/airtrip.html

and what i meant is, that i have made all the bvp pages in the BV builder. :P

for some reason i get a 404 every time i try reacing something more than 2 lvls from the index XD

Originally Posted by Youngbull

and so i have, and i've done it the same way with everything else. l:3
ike i.e the airtrip picture is linked to as http://www.youngbull.net/gallery/anthro/airtrip.html

and what i meant is, that i have made all the bvp pages in the BV builder. :P

for some reason i get a 404 every time i try reacing something more than 2 lvls from the index XD

http://www.youngbull.net/gallery/anthro/airtrip.html

In the above link the /anthro/airtrip has to go...

Remove the folder gallery and the folder anthro from your server. forget about those.

Make the page 'gallery' place your images on that page and just hit the 'publish' button... trust me!

i don't even have any folders. :3

and wehat do you mean? like putting the content of anthro and love into the gallery page? like just copy/pasting the tablets there?

Originally Posted by Youngbull

i don't even have any folders. :3

and wehat do you mean? like putting the content of anthro and love into the gallery page? like just copy/pasting the tablets there?

You must have folders if this is a link:

http://www.youngbull.net/gallery/anthro/airtrip.html

/gallery is pointing it to a folder
as is /anthro

you can't copy and paste them onto the pages you have to insert them using the image tool, or gallery feature

Well, Ramsey, thank you so much for taking this on.

Youngbull - you really have to learn how to make the navigation links - and that is what this has been about from the beginning - you have been trying to do them in a very confusing way- and we have been trying to tell you it doesn't need to be that confusing.

Yes, I got upset last night when you kept telling us that we didn't understand. We did.

And Dave, thanks for your cheering for him - and I appreciate the help you were giving - And appreciate that you have also said that all those folders are unnecessary.

Youngbull - we (me included) want this to work for you - but, if necessary, I suggest you go back and watch the tutorial on linking pages and navigation a few more times. Just because a page is below another on the hierarchy doesn't mean it needs to have that page in the name.

Good day to you too Bethers. Glad you're feeling better than last night. :3

i may have chosen a confusing way of making the website, but that's my choice to make, and a choice i made while still planning the website (which i had good time to do while waiting for the payment to be processed.) X3

and the tutorials i have watched about 5-10 times each, they are just not informational enough. they tell you what to do, not how.

i realized very early that the folders vere of no use (as i ended up with double the URL /gallery/gallery etc) so don't worry about them. :3

"You must have folders if this is a link:

http://www.youngbull.net/gallery/anthro/airtrip.html

/gallery is pointing it to a folder
as is /anthro

you can't copy and paste them onto the pages you have to insert them using the image tool, or gallery feature"

i'm getting mixed signals here, cause i've already tried with folders, doing it that way only resulted in the earlier mentioned problem. :S

I hope we can work together to create my webpage Bethers, just don't remake it to something it isn't meant to be, ok? ^^

Thank you, Beth for the kind words. Youngbull is so close to having it the way he wants it to be! I know how to tell him to fix the problem so that it turns out the way he originally wanted to navigate his site!

But, being a "minor" forum member I want to respect the ranking system! But, wow....it's really hard for me to keep quiet, when I see him so close!

Being a newbie myself; I know there are areas that I still need help in, but I have a pretty good understanding of linking and folder hierarchy. And there is one change (minor) that would make his "Love" nav-button, (on the "Gallery" page work. The other two nav-buttons could then be worked on!

Beth....May I offer this advice to him? As I said; I want to remain a member in good standing. The knowledge to be had here is enormous!

wisdom don't follow the ranks of men (or women) :P

Judavv, if you know something, speak. i would rather have a working solution than a confusing one. XD

Dave, I do believe the floor is yours....

Originally Posted by Marincky

Dave, I do believe the floor is yours....

... may I have this dance? XD (temptation was too great)

Thank you Ramsey!

Youngbull...I do believe I understand the way you want to navigate your site. Let's take this one step at a time.

Open your bluevoda web builder and bring in your "gallery" web page.
Change the link on your "Love" nav-button to this:
http://www.youngbull.net/love.html Then save it to your hard drive as you normally do.

Then publish (use the publish button at the top of the BV web builder window.)
WARNING: be sure that the "publish dialog" popup window shows that it is going to be published into the "Public_html" folder!

Now check it online and see if the "Love" page comes up. Please let me know how it works.

it worked, i tried the same with commission and anthro however, but they didn't work
EDIT: that was because i hadn't uploaded them lol!
EDIT2: well that solves the problem of how to find them. but i'd still prefer a url trace like /gallery/anthro... etc. :3 i'll leave it like this for the moment however.

Yeah, I know that! Now, bring into BV your "Anthro" page and publish to the "Public_html" folder, also. Do that with "Commissions" page, too.

If it happens to say that "you already have a file by that name. Do you want to over write it?" Say no!
It shouldn't, because I already know that you don't have those files in "Public_html" folder! They may be located somewhere else and if that message comes up; we don't want to put these pages into the folder wherever those pages are!!

it works for the anthro and commission pages as well now.
the next step would be the image pages.

Exactly! The links will be http://www.youngbull.net/thepicsname.html for each pic.

Congratulations!! Now your server files are probably a mess after all this! But that can be fixed later! I'm happy I could help.

Just post for help if you need to. There's so much talent available here! Sometimes us newbies can't always understand simply because we haven't been through the process before.

Anyway, lot's of luck to you!

thanks, but i already tried that. example:
http://www.youngbull.net/airtrip.html
don't find it :(

fixed it, the link now works. i can figure the rest of them out on my own, but what still needs work is the contact form

Great! Forms are a little harder than linking, but there is plenty of assistance for forms in the "Forms" forum, just below this forum.

great. thank you all for the help! ^^

feel free to drop by my website at any time. (it won't bite, much :3)