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    Interestng piece of info courtesy of google-watch.org that you really need to have a look at...

    Unless you like being spied on of course ;D

    1. Google's immortal cookie:
    Google was the first search engine to use a cookie that expires in 2038. This was at a time when federal websites were prohibited from using persistent cookies altogether. Now it's years later, and immortal cookies are commonplace among search engines; Google set the standard because no one bothered to challenge them. This cookie places a unique ID number on your hard disk. Anytime you land on a Google page, you get a Google cookie if you don't already have one. If you have one, they read and record your unique ID number.

    2. Google records everything they can:
    For all searches they record the cookie ID, your Internet IP address, the time and date, your search terms, and your browser configuration. Increasingly, Google is customizing results based on your IP number. This is referred to in the industry as "IP delivery based on geolocation."

    3. Google retains all data indefinitely:
    Google has no data retention policies. There is evidence that they are able to easily access all the user information they collect and save.

    4. Google won't say why they need this data:
    Inquiries to Google about their privacy policies are ignored. When the New York Times (2002-11-2 asked Sergey Brin about whether Google ever gets subpoenaed for this information, he had no comment.

    5. Google hires spooks:
    Matt Cutts, a key Google engineer, used to work for the National Security Agency. Google wants to hire more people with security clearances, so that they can peddle their corporate assets to the spooks in Washington.

    6. Google's toolbar is spyware:
    With the advanced features enabled, Google's free toolbar for Explorer phones home with every page you surf, and yes, it reads your cookie too. Their privacy policy confesses this, but that's only because Alexa lost a class-action lawsuit when their toolbar did the same thing, and their privacy policy failed to explain this. Worse yet, Google's toolbar updates to new versions quietly, and without asking. This means that if you have the toolbar installed, Google essentially has complete access to your hard disk every time you connect to Google (which is many times a day). Most software vendors, and even Microsoft, ask if you'd like an updated version. But not Google. Any software that updates automatically presents a massive security risk.

    7. Google's cache copy is illegal:
    Judging from Ninth Circuit precedent on the application of U.S. copyright laws to the Internet, Google's cache copy appears to be illegal. The only way a webmaster can avoid having his site cached on Google is to put a "noarchive" meta in the header of every page on his site. Surfers like the cache, but webmasters don't. Many webmasters have deleted questionable material from their sites, only to discover later that the problem pages live merrily on in Google's cache. The cache copy should be "opt-in" for webmasters, not "opt-out."

    8. Google is not your friend:
    By now Google enjoys a 75 percent monopoly for all external referrals to most websites. Webmasters cannot avoid seeking Google's approval these days, assuming they want to increase traffic to their site. If they try to take advantage of some of the known weaknesses in Google's semi-secret algorithms, they may find themselves penalized by Google, and their traffic disappears. There are no detailed, published standards issued by Google, and there is no appeal process for penalized sites. Google is completely unaccountable. Most of the time Google doesn't even answer email from webmasters.

    9. Google is a privacy time bomb:

    With 200 million searches per day, most from outside the U.S., Google amounts to a privacy disaster waiting to happen. Those newly-commissioned data-mining bureaucrats in Washington can only dream about the sort of slick efficiency that Google has already achieved.

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    Wait until vasili sees this.....then watch out for the sparks to fly..........

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    HAHAHA let the sparks fly, I didn't write it LOL. Google Watch wrote it, I just found it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidundalicia
    Wait until vasili sees this.....then watch out for the sparks to fly..........
    I know....I guess I set myself up as the "Google-Hater", huh?
    (Nonetheless, I am quite adamant about few issues in my life, but this "Google Thing" is starting to grow larger than I ever intended!)

    Interesting developments:
    Sunday, August 6, 2006 : Google announces partnership with Viacom to merge digital advertising to commonplace online opportunities
    (translation/ 1. expect streaming commercials on every Google controlled webpage as part of their "toolbar" 2. every Google program will now require such placements on websites in reciprocal manner....expect pop-ups and animated gifs on your AdSense program if you want access to Google Analytics or wish to keep their Search tools) I truly feel bummed that individual freedoms are being "wiped" and the early warnings (like mine) are seen as obtuse and "silly".......

    And.....did you notice the date of the cookie mentioned above....the year 2038???
    That is the year predicted by the Mayans for the end of the worldly cycle as we know it....like the Armegeddon we are familiar with....Hmmm...
    (THAT is a really fascinating story unto itself...it is the date when perfect Earth/Solar system/Milky Way alignment takes place, only once every 20,000 years, and the Maya calculated this over 700 years ago with their simple astrological mapping....WE couldn't even do it until 1977!!)

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    Toolbars!! AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! I cannot stress this enough... Anyone who downlaods ANY non standard toolbar, i.e. Yahoo. Google etc etc are asking for problems. The simple solution is DON'T!

    You get nothing in this world for free, if it say's FREE ask yourself "What do they want in return", "what are they getting from this" The answer is a key to the front door of your PC.
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    Well said!

    So I take it you are joining my "Tea Party"??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasili
    Well said!

    So I take it you are joining my "Tea Party"??
    OOh Tea... I love Tea!! Will it involve anything to do with saying bad things about Google??? Please say yes!!!
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    Vasili,

    I wished you lived in the UK, then I could tell you who your TV double is!!

    Anyone from the UK spot Phil Mitchell here????
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    Funny! Ha. Ha. (Do they still broadcast "The Commish" in the UK? Now the same guy is on FX network here in "The Shield" -- I used to get that comparison a lot, but not so much nowadays....don't know who Phil is.)

    I think it important to have a VodaHost consensus on the "Google Issue" and to let it become something of a foundational "logistic" when guiding other VH members during their web designs.

    And, when the momentum is sufficient, to actually DO something to make a difference with our combined strength....(*along the lines I've suggested earlier).

    Gald to see you couldn't stand "retirement," my friend....webbing is simply too addictive, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasili
    Funny! Ha. Ha. (Do they still broadcast "The Commish" in the UK? Now the same guy is on FX network here in "The Shield" -- I used to get that comparison a lot, but not so much nowadays....don't know who Phil is.)

    Do you not get Eastenders?

    I think it important to have a VodaHost consensus on the "Google Issue" and to let it become something of a foundational "logistic" when giding other VH members during their web designs.

    I think I agree with this... I never really understand your big words Vasili!!

    And, when the momentum is sufficient, to actually DO something to make a difference with our combined strength....(*along the lines I've suggested earlier).

    If only!!

    Gald to see you couldn't stand "retirement," my friend....webbing is simply too addictive, isn't it?
    TOO Addictive : - (
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    Wait wait wait... After the Stop the War thread... are you saying Vasili and I do have something in common? LOL ace!!

    ;)

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    I think it important to have a VodaHost consensus on the "Google Issue" and to let it become something of a foundational "logistic" when guiding other VH members during their web designs.

    You will never ever get a consensus using language like this....
    keep it simple.....now who said that ?

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    Hi guys, I just have a feeling what said above about google that's a rip, really I had that feeling, I didn't know (the proof, I had it installed), everyday I was opening my computer and looking into that tool bars and tell it: - I hope if I know what you are doing exactly -

    Because it doesn't have any work to do for me really, so why an entreprise will create such a thing.

    BEFORE I CONTINUE, I HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEAAAAAASSSSSSSSSEEEEE

    1 - when i just started to read the doc above, even before I went to the 2nd paragraph, I said F$#@, I knew it was something behing that google things, I uninstall it immediatly, Now how can I be sure that there is no more danger from it, is it sure now that is totaly gone?

    2 - What about google earth? I have fun with it, but I'm ready to remove it if it worths it.

    3 - What about Yahoo search bar in my browser?

    Thanks guys
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    Yahoo! earth mapping is still "farmed out" and since they are so far behind the ad-scheme game, it's probably the only thing left to use without worry - for now.....

    OKOKOK, David.......

    "It's time we all agreed to start thinking abour a common response to the 'Google Issue'....so that we might better advise everyone as they build their BV websites. Maybe THEN we can all decide to co-ordinate a plan to make our voices heard, rather than sit back and be screwed!"


    How was that????

    LOL

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    Good questions NPro....

    I dont think you need to worry about Yahoo. I have never heard of anything untoward with their software but I would never call myself 100% sure about any internet company. With Google, especially if you are using Adsense or Adwords there really is no getting around the secret data collection in fact... Everytime you search in Google a cookie will be sent to your PC so regardless of what precautions you take you can never be 100% free. The problem here is that there is no doubting that we need Google and as a result they have us by the short n curlies. Anybody here run a forum/messageboard? Ever wondered about that mysterious guest with an IP address that starts with 66.249 ..... ?

    If you have that IP address following you round the net then I am affraid they have you

    Not sure about Google Earth but given the fact that simply searching using Google search is is probably a safe bet that all Google programs have some kind of spyware attached.

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    Correct.
    (That's another reason I have my BB password-protected....not just because I intended it for Associates only as a "Resource Center" but to keep the 'slurp spiders' out).
    Any "Comments" I manually post in static Client Comments pages....I prefer customers to call me live 24/7 for a solution rather than play....

    COUNT YOU IN TOO, ROB??

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    So now you telling me that they get me anyway, I just need to clean up my cookies as I did few minutes ago everytime I make a search in google.

    I guess that's the only way.

    I had that idea in my mind years ago, "because I don't trust internet anyway", to buy another computer, maybe a laptop will be nice where I can store all my private documents and them have one for internet where I don't have to give a damn about what's inside.

    That true that google gets you in all around your computer, even i did a local search in windows, I found some files like googlebla bla bla.dll in my windows folder, I don't remember exactly the name but it has something like net connect or other.

    Anyway I would like to thank each one of you to tell finaly.
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    Good....looks like we are already starting to form a "core group"....

    Now!
    Let's see if our subtle "nudges" to shy away from Google will take hold and be "the seed" that grows into the mighty oak for all to seek shady refuge.....

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    My preference is for Yahoo. And yes, you should clean cookies and temp files very chance you get.

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    It isn't performing the search that makes the cookie send to you. It's when you click on a link after performing the search.. Yup Vasili, The Google Resistance Cell? hahaaaa

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    Clicking on ANYTHING Google....just like adding a php script to scour IP's to your BV site....

    Kinda like it...implies we might be "Armed & Dangerous" Growwwwllll!
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    OOOHrahhh!

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    <does twenty marine-push-ups>

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    Yeah, that's it, worry about Google. They are, afterall the ones who defied a demand from the Feds for them to release information about searches.

    But everyone will just go on their merry way, enjoying AOL and recommending them to others, all the while...


    AOL draws fire after releasing user search data

    NEW YORK - AOL Monday apologized for releasing information on about 20 million keyword searches in a move that ignited a firestorm of criticism about privacy rights on the Internet.

    AOL, the online unit of media conglomerate Time Warner Inc. , said it launched an internal investigation into how a research division of the company mistakenly released the data on its Web site about 10 days ago.

    AOL released search information on about 20 million searches done from its software by about 658,000 anonymous AOL users over a three-month period, representing about one-third-of-1-percent of searches conducted over that time.

    The disclosure, which AOL said was not cleared through official channels, came months after Google Inc. won kudos from privacy pundits for refusing to comply with U.S. government requests for search data on its users.

    "This was a screw up, and we're angry and upset about it," said Andrew Weinstein, an AOL spokesman. "It was an innocent-enough attempt to reach out to the academic community with new research tools, but it was obviously not appropriately vetted, and if it had been, it would have been stopped in an instant."

    Although user information was not disclosed, keyword searches have included users who search their own names.

    The data escaped notice until this weekend, when blogs began linking to the study. Techcrunch was among the first blogs to report the data's release.

    According to these blogs, which were able to download the file, searches among some AOL users included one who conducted a series of searches on "how to kill your wife," "murder photo" and "www.murderdpeople.com" (sic).

    Techcrunch said the most serious problem with the disclosure was that many people search their own names.

    "Combine these ego searches with porn queries and you have a serious embarrassment. Combine them with "buy ecstasy" and you have evidence of a crime. Combine it with an address, social security number, etc., and you have an identity theft waiting to happen," said Techcrunch blogger Michael Arrington in a posting. "The possibilities are endless."

    One legal expert said the disclosure probably did not violate the company's own privacy policy as the data did not include personally identifiable information.

    "This is more of a business snafu than anything else," Jason Epstein, head of the business and technology group at law firm Baker, Donelson, Bearman, Caldwell & Berkowitz PC said.

    The link to the actual file, containing searches done by users whose personal IDs are replaced with random numbers, is no longer available on AOL's Web site.

    "Although there was no personally identifiable data linked to these accounts, we're absolutely not defending this. It was a mistake, and we apologize," AOL's Weinstein said. "We've launched an internal investigation into what happened, and we are taking steps to ensure that this type of thing never happens again."

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    I knew you would come out of hiding once the smell of "BreakFree" filled the air and you heard the sound of beer being loaded into the back of a pickup....

    LOL! We need your expertise with the heavy arms, General....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vasili
    I knew you would come out of hiding once the smell of "BreakFree" filled the air and you heard the sound of beer being loaded into the back of a pickup....

    LOL! We need your expertise with the heavy arms, General....

    Nope, this General will remain retired. But I will say, if anyone here thinks Yahoo and the rest aren't working very hard to to create the the same type of system Google has in place, you're out of touch with reality.

    In my opinion, the biggest offenders to users are AOL, MSN and Yahoo with Google being pretty far behind them. Anyone ever used email with AOL, MSN or Yahoo? Most likely. How much SPAM did (do) you find in your inbox? Tons. Try Google's Gmail and see the difference. They keep that junk in the SPAM folder where it belongs.

    And God help the AOL herd - that company adds more adware and spyware to their machines than any other third party could hope to.

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    Totally agree about AOL. I think Google come under a lot of criticism because of there flat denial to bend according to government orders. I can't ever remember that being the case with those other companies

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~Rob
    Totally agree about AOL. I think Google come under a lot of criticism because of there flat denial to bend according to government orders. I can't ever remember that being the case with those other companies
    Which is exactly why I'm a huge supporter of Google. All the others record personally indentifying info and I know Yahoo (can't speak to the rest) states that pretty clearly. But the thing with Google - and this is my opinion - is that they are willing to fight to the point of risking jail time to keep that data from George W. Bush's efforts to control all elements of freedom in the USA.

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    Ahhhh... now that George has come into the chat I can definitely at least sympathise with Google... I still don't think that they are doing the right thing by us though.

    A tricky situation, a definite high five for going against George and his blatant paranoia but a big no no for ripping me off at every turn.

    ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FPRob
    Ahhhh... now that George has come into the chat I can definitely at least sympathise with Google... I still don't think that they are doing the right thing by us though.

    A tricky situation, a definite high five for going against George and his blatant paranoia but a big no no for ripping me off at every turn.

    ;)
    Thus, the dilemma!
    This all started from a discussion/reaction posted from AOL's attempt to collect revenue for delivering email to their clients, whether or not it was permission-based or expected by the client.....

    There are pretty serious motions now coming to light that should this "classification/delivery" of email program run into opposition, AOL, MSN, and even Yahoo! will look to ways of charging clients for outgoing email...and I imagine it will be based on blocks of volume (100,200,500/mo.). Who knows?
    > It's all about retaining a customer group that can be marketed to as a "captive audience" for a premium charged to businesses.

    Google may appear to be "protective" of the data they so anally collect, but the fact they are so aggressive and adamant about using it arbritrarily for their own means to 'force-structure' online status or class with participation in their various programs remains a nefarious effort at best....

    And on it goes....

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    Well, here is a phone number for google +1-650-318-0200 ... And here is their email adress lp@google.com or arin-contact@google.com... Drop them a line, or give them a buzz... Happy screwing google back. :)

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    I really want to go back to the middle ages with my warbow! Back then life was simple, there was warfare, *******, starvation but if you managed to avoid those life was simple and you knew where you stood. Nowadays you have to second, third and fourth guess everything to the point where you don't really know whats real and what is paranoia, it's all very George Orwell. Google good or bad? Probably both, or more likely started off good and has now started going wonky as more suits wade in and business takes over. Given the power of google does anyone see that one result of picking a fight with them could, or probably will, result in rankings lower than the deepest ocean abyss! Maybe the thrust of any action/pressure should be trying to point out the worst excesses but try to avoid outright confrontation?

    I tell you what would be good, how about a guide to protecting yourself in the digital world, simple everday things the average bod (me) can implement to make things harder for the 'big boys' but safer for us. We could send that out to everyone in our email lists along with articles like the one which started off this thread.

    Tea anyone?

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    Oh Rob I tried emailing you but got it bounced back, can you give me a shout via your local?

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    8. Google is not your friend:
    By now Google enjoys a 75 percent monopoly for all external referrals to most websites. Webmasters cannot avoid seeking Google's approval these days, assuming they want to increase traffic to their site. If they try to take advantage of some of the known weaknesses in Google's semi-secret algorithms, they may find themselves penalized by Google, and their traffic disappears. There are no detailed, published standards issued by Google, and there is no appeal process for penalized sites. Google is completely unaccountable. Most of the time Google doesn't even answer email from webmasters..[/quot] you shoked me

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    They ARE one of my "Preferred Customer Groups" and actually are quite loyal - as individuals.

    So, when it comes to Corporate relationships, pemdas21, it is often best to reserve the true intent to only your closest ally, and not always accept the agenda of another "just because".....you will learn in this in time.
    In the meantime, the ENTIRE jist was only to stay alert, and to reassert independence without getting thrown in front of the bus merely by not paying attention!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FPRob
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    6. Google's toolbar is spyware:
    With the advanced features enabled, Google's free toolbar for Explorer phones home with every page you surf, and yes, it reads your cookie too. Their privacy policy confesses this, but that's only because Alexa lost a class-action lawsuit when their toolbar did the same thing, and their privacy policy failed to explain this. Worse yet, Google's toolbar updates to new versions quietly, and without asking. This means that if you have the toolbar installed, Google essentially has complete access to your hard disk every time you connect to Google (which is many times a day). Most software vendors, and even Microsoft, ask if you'd like an updated version. But not Google. Any software that updates automatically presents a massive security risk.

    .
    my spyware program caught it as a spyware several times so I think your right

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    Oooooooh! Can I join your "Tea Party"?! Google sucks!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanhitchings
    Oooooooh! Can I join your "Tea Party"?! Google sucks!!!!!!!
    You already have!
    "Knowledge is Power, yet Wisdom is Knowing How to Use It Well!"

    The more people know, the better decisions they make.....if they reason according to their conscience. And, the more people reason well as an outward example, the greater the likelihood truth, integrity, and peace will persevere.

    (Besides, I know for a fact Yahoo is offering cut-rates for their programs as they try to battle Google's virus-like contagien....and quite honestly, they are "partnered" with the real leading applications!)
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    how can i read webmaster email of my web site.
    for exmple someone writes something on contact page,how i can read that email?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drini07 View Post
    how can i read webmaster email of my web site.
    for exmple someone writes something on contact page,how i can read that email?
    By opening it upon receipt!

    Providing, of course, that you properly configured the form to be delivered to yourself!

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