Thread: Fuel Prices ...

I am just curious as to the various fuel prices across the globe. My wife and I run a landscaping business. We design, install, and maintain. Through all of it we are paying sometimes upwards of $40.00 per day. I can remember about 7 years ago fuel was only $.99/gal. now for the cheap stuff its $2.89/gal. I dont see how transportation intensive companies are going to be able to stay in the game. If fuel prices continue to soar we will all be walking...


just a thought ...

Originally Posted by Code-Burnt-Gemini

I am just curious as to the various fuel prices across the globe. My wife and I run a landscaping business. We design, install, and maintain. Through all of it we are paying sometimes upwards of $40.00 per day. I can remember about 7 years ago fuel was only $.99/gal. now for the cheap stuff its $2.89/gal. I dont see how transportation intensive companies are going to be able to stay in the game. If fuel prices continue to soar we will all be walking...


just a thought ...

You are absolutely right.. There is so much that one wonders about when it comes to Fuel Prices, the Transportation Business is one of many who are suffering including the average household.

The problem is that the end user ends up paying for it.. The producer increases the price to the refinery who increases the price to the wholesaler who increases the price to the retailer who increases the price to the consumer.. But along with that comes the side effects, your fruit and vegetables becomes dearer because the farmer pays more for tractor fuel and then passes the charge to the wholesaler who passes the prices to the retailer and so on.. In addition, it is unfortunate that the majority of retailers capitalize on this, even though retailers purchase their stock once a week or once a month, you'll notice that they change their prices on daily basis, how can the price be allowed to increase for an essential item for which the seller had paid for and sold for a lower price a day before..??? We are not talking Video Games here, we are talking an essential commodity necessary for the average household.. So, in a world of manipulating producers, greedy refineries, careless wholesalers and dishonest retailers one has to expect the worst.. By the end of this year expect to pay 40% more than what you are paying now.

Have governements done anything to counteract that..?? Think taxes, and you will know why they are just too happy to scoop the yields.

Yet another issue where Capitalism fails and Socialism has something to offer.

Hi, think of yourself as being very fortunate on that side of the pond on having fuel prices at an unbelievable low price in comparison to what we have to pay in EU. Try this site for UK prices http://www.petrolprices.com In the UK I pay around £00.99 per Lt for diesel & about £00.95 for normal petrol. Not sure on the conversion as I believe a US gallon is slightly different to a UK one.

Chris

The chart is a bit out of date, but this fule is about £00.95pence today.

Originally Posted by Collectors-info

Hi, think of yourself as being very fortunate on that side of the pond on having fuel prices at an unbelievable low price in comparison to what we have to pay in EU. Try this site for UK prices http://www.petrolprices.com In the UK I pay around £00.99 per Lt for diesel & about £00.95 for normal petrol. Not sure on the conversion as I believe a US gallon is slightly different to a UK one.

Chris

That equals $1.90 in Australian Dollar.. In Australia, we are paying $1.40.. I really can't see how the average citizen in the UK can afford a car anymore.... I think it's f***** that people have to suffer like this.

We are paying upto £0.99 ($1.8, more often £0.96-ish ...

Pretty damned high considering that between the US and UK we now control the huge majority of middle eastern oil ;)

The worst part about it is that 600% of fuel costs in this country is tax

Here in the southeast we have ( i think ) the lowest prices of fuel in the US. Over $1.00/gal goes to taxes. Same thing for Tobacco products, but not for alcohol ...


Isn't that kinda weird?

Here in JA we are paying JMD$ 60 per litre (4 litres = 1.06 US gallon or .88 UK gallon) for the cheap stuff (US$1 = JMD$66) .

We are threfore paying approroximately US$3.07 per 1.06 US gallon....and we area very expensive country as it is....sigh when wil lht maddness end. Oh and prices jsut went up.

Here in New York the least expensive gasoline is $3.25 a gallon and high test is $3.59 a gallon. The rates are expected to reach $4.00 a gallon by summer's end....Tough to afford travel these days.

Ngazzara

Ahhh my patch......

I heard someone at the test driving test centre saying that petrol is due to go up to about £1.28 per litre! I was told that some alaskan pipeline is being closed due to poor maintaince, could be don't know....

But and I speak as someone who 'knows his beans on this' it's probably a good thing. I mean, and yes there will be exceptions, how many of us make completely worthless journeys in our cars? I know I have, I can find an excuse for it sure, but I didn't drive till I was 27, got around fine weighed about a stone less as well. For those that don't know I'm a driving instructor in the England and for those in the England who don't know it is a bloody hard slog to become one, you have to be good believe me and we cannot help but watch the driving abilities of those around us and it is not always up to the bare minimum standard required in law! Sorry but rant on here, it is rarely up to minimum standard, anyone in the uk disagrees come down here and I'll show you. Finacially to me the cost of petrol gets added on to my hourly fee and for my private use well I'll just walk more, thats what I have legs for!

Just think think if we all cut our driving by just 25% (better if it was to be about 50%) we, as mainly westerners here,could seriously impact not just on pollution but also the death and carnage on our roads (Uk annually 2000-3000deaths, 20,000~40,000 serious injuries and upto 200,000 minor injuries per year, ban the car!) I could go on but I wont as I feel hackles rising. Sorry for the spelling but the wine has an effect and fingers ache!

You're a driving instructer Nick? I want to do my advanced course, how much is it these days? :)

<thinks hard> Didn't i comment on people going off topic in another thread somewhere? Yup, I'm sure I did hahahahahahaha

Don' know if I cover the area near some trees! But if I do cheap to you! Thing is advanced driving is a funny thing, officially you have a variety of tests but in brief you have ahemmm........
Bog standard L test (most people would fail, sorry but it's true!)

Taxi Test~ waste of time complete joke as are most taxi drivers.

Then you have ADI test and Driving examiners tests~bloody hard basically this is advanced driving, but would you want to go through all the hoops and dosh?

Then Cardington............for instructors who like medal collecting. I'd rather go and do some rally driving!

Then outside of the official tests you have the 'Colins' the advanced driver people who test and certificate themselves, don't get me wrong they can drive but they like driving gloves haha. Whats the standard like? Don't know but probably not as high as ADI.

If your anywhere round Southampton I'll take you out to give you an idea for free mate.

Just seen the banner for your local AWESOME! nice one mate!

Banner, no problem ;) My pleaseure...

How about Northampton rather than Southampton LOL? It was a kind offer though, thank you for that. I will definitely look into doing it at some point but yeeahh, I'd heard that there wasn't anything particularly easy about any of the advanced courses. I probably wouldn't pass but I'm up for the challenge :)

Oh.. Believe it or not I have passed the taxi driver test and yup, waste of time as was that particular part timne job LOL. Tell you what though, good fun on a Saturday night :) :) :)

-With prices going up, at what point will owners trade in their gas guzzling trucks for smaller cars?
-One auto manufacturer has already admitted they read the US market wrong and should have introduced fuel efficient vehicles rather than more SUV's.
-Guess it goes to prove we can learn lots from Europe.

Speaking of gas guzzlers Bill , our work truck is a 1974 ford F-100 with a 1973 Ford Mustang 351W in it. that truck drinks gas! but when its all ya got to work with you make do ...

yep, know what you mean.

Here in Kiwiland, everyone complains about fuel prices - now $NZ1.70 litre - I guess we won't have to walk soon!! I'm glad I don't have to drive around the UK!!! - and some other places!!! My 1994 Mitzi Chariot is pretty old but I keep it well tuned and it isn't expensive to run. Still too many people driving 4WD off-road vehicles around town! I have no pity for them - those vehicles should be banned in the city!!
Lorna
www.lornamack.com

What we need to do is band together as a people and FORCE our corrupt politicians
to start using alternative fuel technologies that have been around for decades....

Click the below...

http://www.vodahost.com/vodatalk/vod...ctric-car.html

Its funny that the carpenter I was just working with a few hours ago is from NZ was saying that to just live in NZ is quite cheap, but if you have any vices like driving/drinking/smoking it will soon eat the rest of your wage packet.
But whilst we are having a rant on prices @ £00.99, the petrol prices are just a small part of the charges for living in London (UK) If you want to park in the centre of London, the average car park is £35.00 per day + the London congestion charge of £8.00 per day, which they are trying to increase to £25.00 per day for engines over 2000cc. And if you were unlucky & got towed away for illegal parking, you can add another £200.00 in charges. I work as an electrician & before I even leave my home I have to tell the customer that lives in the centre of London that there is a £50.00 per day charge on top of labour & materials just to come & see them. Its no wonder so many Brits are leaving the country & must admit I cant wait to join them. Now I have had my little tantrum, do some of you feel better about where you live & what you have to pay??

Cheers all,

Chris.

Originally Posted by VodaHost

What we need to do is band together as a people and FORCE our corrupt politicians
to start using alternative fuel technologies that have been around for decades....

Click the below...

http://www.vodahost.com/vodatalk/vod...ctric-car.html

I think Vodahost team should start a World political fuel party called Vodafuel. Seems quite appropriate that Voda means water & they have been experimenting with water based fuels (hydrogen fuel cells) for years now. You would already have thousands of supporters from this forum.

Chris.
PS. www.vodafuel.com is avalible ?

Thanks goodness I live in New Zealand!!! I won't ever again be in London to experience what you describe, Chris. Living in NZ is cheap, as your carpenter friend says, and I don't really think that those vices he mentions cost as much as many other places - especially London. Smoking is probably the most expensive, and why not?! I'd sooner pay for a dram here than in London! What does a large dram cost in an average bar there? A bottle costs about $NZ38-40 - better in NZ$ than in GBP I think?! Doesn't a bottle cost about that in GBP?
There are quite a few vehicles running on recycled cooking oil here! It's pretty successful! One day it might be cheaper to fill up with Vodka!!!! - I make my own - that's really cheap!!
Lorna

Some of the farmers in my area are using the home-made biodiesel. I have never heard of vehicles that run off of cooking oil. I do however think its a good idea. Learn something new everyday!

Originally Posted by Code-Burnt-Gemini

Some of the farmers in my area are using the home-made biodiesel. I have never heard of vehicles that run off of cooking oil. I do however think its a good idea. Learn something new everyday!

Been around for over 40 years.....
Filling up is as easy as stopping in at McDonalds, your local Chinese Take-Out, or running to the pantry for some vegetable oil!!

And....the US just relaxed the laws on home-distilleries to acommodate those "licensed" to brew ethanol as fuel. The conversion of your present cars is limited to a handful of engine models, and at most is under $900. The still will set you back about $1800, though! (What's up with that?) Only certain companies are allowed to supply you with an "approved distillery".....fancy that!
And NO, I'm not a know it all...it was just on the History Channel, so there!

And why, exactly, have this been swept under the rug??

Vasili - a fermenter + distiller for 'home brew' here only costs a few hundred - NZ - dollars!! What a cheek to charge $US1800! Profiteering, I say!! That's about $NZ2250 - I assume it allows you to make commercial quatities. We can't sell 'home brew' here - it's only for consuming at home wih friends!!
I can use the fermenter for making wine and and one can distill any fremented 'brew' - some are better than others!
Amazing what one learns on the History channel!!
Gee!!! - I've been promoted again!!!
Cheers - Lorna

Originally Posted by Lorna

Thanks goodness I live in New Zealand!!! I won't ever again be in London to experience what you describe, Chris. Living in NZ is cheap, as your carpenter friend says, and I don't really think that those vices he mentions cost as much as many other places - especially London. Smoking is probably the most expensive, and why not?! I'd sooner pay for a dram here than in London! What does a large dram cost in an average bar there? A bottle costs about $NZ38-40 - better in NZ$ than in GBP I think?! Doesn't a bottle cost about that in GBP?
There are quite a few vehicles running on recycled cooking oil here! It's pretty successful! One day it might be cheaper to fill up with Vodka!!!! - I make my own - that's really cheap!!
Lorna

Here is a link to supermarket in the UK that is usually quite reasonable on their prices for drink.
http://www.waitrosewine.com/Spirits/Spirits/Category.aspx

As for Cigs Marlboro lights average about £5.35 for a pack of 20 in the UK. But with the new EU rules on being able to bring a lot more of this type of thing into the country from when you have been on holiday, (i.e. duty free) everyone comes back with loads & then sells them at about £33.00 per 200. You can pay for a Holiday for a family & 2 children just by bringing back enough cigs. In Spain I believe there about £18.00 per 200. so per carton You make £15.00 per carton & if all are over 16 years of age . 10 cartons each = £600.00. Its legal & would help most family’s. The down side is the moral issue with cigs.
Just as a last note. Dose anyone know why governments cant be taken to court for dealing with drugs, (ie cigs). If you can put a dealer away for many years for dealing in weed, why can’t the government be treated the same way for their immoral earnings with cigs. ????
Right! After that I’m of for a coffee & a cig.

Cheers,


Chris.

wow 5.35 for a pack of smokes? marlboro is $2.89 per pack here in the states ( atleast here in the southeast they are ) I buy the cheapest brand of cigs i can find, which at this time are a brand called Gold Coast. They are $1.90 WITH tax included per pack.

Originally Posted by Code-Burnt-Gemini

wow 5.35 for a pack of smokes? marlboro is $2.89 per pack here in the states ( atleast here in the southeast they are ) I buy the cheapest brand of cigs i can find, which at this time are a brand called Gold Coast. They are $1.90 WITH tax included per pack.

Another reason I miss not living in Florida! (Will be again soon, though) And the cigars are fresh too!
Example: My favorite cigar in Tampa $4 each for a fresh one, and $11 for a dry old stick of leaf here in California. A pack of Benson & Hedges in FL is about $4, and $6.50 in CA (NY it's now close to $8 and a different/special blend: they are required to not have additives to keep them burning, so less fires in bed, etc.).
Whatever. I'm waiting for the day we are required to return to horse & buggy or only biofuels, and licenses for the internet and implant cell phones (try switching carriers now, dummy!).

$11.50 for a packet of 25 Cigs here.. (Ordinary Australian made stuff).

Originally Posted by ez-ez

$11.50 for a packet of 25 Cigs here.. (Ordinary Australian made stuff).

Ouch! I thought you went independent from us in the UK. Must be some of our old politicians left there still collecting taxes. Sorry! Please send them back via a galley sailing ship & we will put them in the stock's for some ironic justice.

Chris.

Originally Posted by Collectors-info

Ouch! I thought you went independent from us in the UK. Must be some of our old politicians left there still collecting taxes. Sorry! Please send them back via a galley sailing ship & we will put them in the stock's for some ironic justice.

Chris.

Sounds like a mighty dandy idea mate.. but hey, since we are using the ship anyway, can we put all of them bloody politicians, old and new on the ship?.. I reckon they, as well as we, are all better off with bastards in the stock's.

Hi Chris - thanks for that interesting web site. The GBP is about $NZ3 so some stuff is definitely more expensive and a few are about the same. I's have to be pretty hard up to import cigarettes - I won't touch them - I try to get people off them. I've seen what the big 'C' does to people. I agree with whoever said that politicians should be put aboard a leaky boat and sent somewhere!! I won't get off topic by getting into politics!:>)
Lorna

$11.50 for 25 cigs? Holy bleep bleep bleep bleeeeeeeeep! I'd definately have to quit. And here I thought $3.00 was bad! Sheeeeeeeeeeeeesh!

Originally Posted by Code-Burnt-Gemini

$11.50 for 25 cigs? Holy bleep bleep bleep bleeeeeeeeep! I'd definately have to quit. And here I thought $3.00 was bad! Sheeeeeeeeeeeeesh!

Yep.. Quitting sounds like a good idea..

1. I tried to quit, but I discovered that I am addicted (drug reliant), I am now considering taking up 'Heroin' instead, it works out cheaper..
2. The government says they made cigarettes so expensive because smoking kills.. It costs less money to produce the same amount of 'Anthrax' to the amount of tobaco in a packet of cigarettes.. That amount of anthrax has the potential to kill every living human in a country the size of Vietnam.

They made it so expensive to smoke because smoking kills... That's right... Got to squeeze every penny they can out of us before our early death's

Tis a good thing for me that I live in an area where tobacco farms are numerous. NC and SC are known for tobacco and a few other crops that my brain dead head cant remember ...

Originally Posted by FPRob

They made it so expensive to smoke because smoking kills... That's right... Got to squeeze every penny they can out of us before our early death's

LOL.. That is so true Rob..

What were we talking about?
Who said that?
Whaaaa?
Smoke Break!

I quit once for 7 years....still now only smoke 10 or less a day, but if I hope to remarry my HeartMaster, I need to quit entirely.
I have come to the conclusion that I have not found an acceptable means to deal with stress yet, so as long as I am a "VH Webbie" I'll be puffing away....

(Does that mean ***** is considering group discounts for The Patch to keep clients "longstanding"?? LOL)

Just an update of a 20/25&#37; increase in fuel to last time we spoke.

Diesel &#163;1.28 per liter
Super Unleaded &#163;1.20 per liter

UK/Unleaded &#163;1.15 per liter
UK/Unleaded &#163;1.15 per liter (& higher) x 3.79liters = 1 US gal = &#163;4.36 x $1.96 = $8.55 per US gal. (I hope my sums are right)

What would the US citizens do if the politicians tried this price on you.

Originally Posted by Collectors-info

$8.55 per US gal. (I hope my sums are right)

What would the US citizens do if the politicians tried this price on you.

Happily drift toward anarchy? Lynching? Pretty please!

Back in 1976, 'petrol' was $4.85/l in Norway and $0.65-95/g in the US.

Just filled up my "modest" 17 gallon tank at $4.91/gallon (SF Bay Area), which happens to be the current price of a gallon of milk in Hawaii, also due to "fuel surcharges."

The new US parity rings hollow indeed, just like the vast majority of more than half-empty gas tanks sloshing down the highways.....

Happily drift toward anarchy? Lynching? Pretty please!

Ah! Good. I wont feel guilty about starting a Lynch mob & digging up Guy Fawkes to give a hand. LOL.
I have even noticed that a branded bottled water is the same price as fuel now days. I recon the politicians know something about a hydrogen break through that they don’t want us to know.

Look at us .. we are growing so quickly too .. LOL

http://www.halifaxgasprices.com/retail_price_chart.aspx

I won't do the math but I think we might be in worse shape ..

Likely because of all the natural gas they found here in NS and gave to our friends .. LOL ..

It is not just fuel prices, gas and electric is set to rise 40% by the end of next year, something has to give as people will just not be able to afford to live. The days of the man going out to work and the woman being a housewife are nearly over, it really does take two wages to pay the bills these days. Not sure where the answer is coming from.

Originally Posted by Collectors-info

Just an update of a 20/25% increase in fuel to last time we spoke.

Diesel £1.28 per liter
Super Unleaded £1.20 per liter

I filled up last Friday, and paid £1.32 per litre for diesel. I was not impressed. And it's still rising!

Fuel prices (while outrageous compared to "same time last year"), are not our biggest concern here in the USA. The presidential candidates have no problem discussing this subject...while letting the real issues fall by the wayside....

Originally Posted by limebrook1

I filled up last Friday, and paid £1.32 per litre for diesel. I was not impressed. And it's still rising!

Hi Trish, The petrol site below has saved me so much on fuel that I pop to the pub to have two pints on the saving.(Only 2 mind). So not all is bad. LOL. Both these UK sites below are very good & don’t bombard you with junk (Which is nice) I get an email once a week with all updates on local fuel/property prices like the fuel one 1 listed below. http://www.petrolprices.com/ http://www.ourproperty.co.uk/

Hi Chris,
This is your petrol prices update from www.petrolprices.com. Your current
settings are to receive e-mail updates weekly.
5 cheapest stations within 2 miles of "NW7 xxx" for Unleaded...
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Station : Observatory Service Station
Address : Watford Way, Mill Hill, London, NW7 2PT
Brand : Esso
Distance : 1.53
Price : 118.9p
Updated : 23-06-2008
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Station : Somerfield Hendon Way
Address : Watford Way, Hendon, London, NW4 3AQ
Brand : Texaco
Distance : 1.93
Price : 119.9p
Updated : 23-06-2008
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Station : Watford Way Connect
Address : Watford Way, Mill Hill, London, NW4 4UP
Brand : Bp
Distance : 1.38
Price : 120.9p
Updated : 23-06-2008
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Hi Chris,

Yes I can verify from our recent trip to the UK that everything there seems to cost about the same in pounds that we pay in dollars. I paid $4.07 a gallon yesterday to fill up my truck and while in the UK we paid about the same in pounds for our hired car - over $8.00 US.

A Burger KIng burger (didn't eat any - just checked the prices) that costs $3.95 here is L3.95 there.

With the rise of fuel of course all prices are going up - notably food and utilities. Makes one wonder how working folks in either of our countries will manage.

Recession? If it ain't one yet it sure feels like it. Terrorism? Just squeeze the life out of us with the manipulation of oil.... (with our complicity as far as the US is concerned) At least in the UK (and all of Europe I suppose) you drive sensible vehicles... our hired car got more than 40 mpg. There are 4 sale signs on half of the suvs and big trucks one sees on the road here nowadays.

Hi Ken,
one of the problems we are now getting is thugs steeling fuel as it is now a high price commodity. Farms are one that are getting hit, as a lot of them have what we call red/derv, same fuel as the trucks run on, but with very little tax. The other ones are getting hit are the truck drivers, quite a few trucks have 100 UK/gal tanks. That equates to around $1100.00 US each time they fill up.

........Solved! lol

Haha Robyn, I'll have a couple of pints!

Love the new sig.... :)

I agree with that sign. lolol. I think ill pull out my bicycle from the shed. lol.

Yes, Chris, trucks are getting hit here as well and since our big rigs are bigger so are their petrol tanks and... bigger hauls.

I drove big trucks for many years and can really sympathize with the poor blokes. Imagine not only having to pay to fill 'em up but having to stay awake all night guarding your investment!

In central Texas gasoline is a bit over US$4.00 per gallon. But see this story about gasoline prices in Mexico in the New York Times today:
"...On Saturday, Mr. Terrazas was back in Ciudad Ju&#225;rez, wooed by its irresistibly low-priced gasoline — around $2.66 a gallon..."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/us...html?ref=world

Go figure!

Im sure if mexico can sell gas that cheap I guess were not emptying our pocket to fill up, we are also filling gas companys and so called politicians pockets.

That's gauranteed Joe, the profit statements from EXXON/Mobil in the multi billions says it all. I think the oil companies are stuffing their pokets so when the Hydrogen cars come out and the hybrids get better, they won't feel the hurt as much.

Originally Posted by jcaywood

In central Texas gasoline is a bit over US$4.00 per gallon. But see this story about gasoline prices in Mexico in the New York Times today:
"...On Saturday, Mr. Terrazas was back in Ciudad Juárez, wooed by its irresistibly low-priced gasoline — around $2.66 a gallon..."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/us...html?ref=world

Go figure!

Was traveling in Mexico many years ago & couldn't believe the how cheap the fuel was. We occasionally got ripped off for a few pesos & had to laugh.
But i remember we had to buy a bottle of octain booster to let the engines run ok as the fuel was so bad.

Originally Posted by sedona

Yes, Chris, trucks are getting hit here as well and since our big rigs are bigger so are their petrol tanks and... bigger hauls.

I drove big trucks for many years and can really sympathize with the poor blokes. Imagine not only having to pay to fill 'em up but having to stay awake all night guarding your investment!

Even worse on the US side as you have a lot more independent drivers than we do in the UK. Individual guys just cant swallow this sort of loss.

Hey....

Mexico subsidizes the "nationalized" oil/gasoline & natural gas industry quite heavily, so it's no wonder the prices are quite disparant. They can sure afford it, what with being the largest supplier of fruit and veggies to the US in the last 2 years ..... and look for that not only to grow, but for them to take advantage of our maladay having to endure one of the worst seasons of flooding in our "grainbelt" ever: as our prices rise, so wil theirs ... as high as they can!

With the weather's sucker-punch to our corn production, I wonder how long it will take for the wannabe politicos to shift from corn-based ethanol to super-productive and exponentially more efficient pond scum energy???

Food, energy, and you wait --- water will be next: both for drinking/bathing and "watering" during the obviously upcoming national drought.

And they think WW III will be over national pride or borders? Hell, the US inability to preserve it's identity the last 10 years by ignoring flagrant illegal immigration has eroded our sensibilities to the point of being too lazy to not only fix our [problems, but to stand up and be of help assisting our friends before they tussle over basic necessities as well!!! It is simply not "politically correct" to voice concerns anymore ..... (I wonder if we aren't supposed to say anything important anymore for fear of offending the majority who prefers to live without accountability -- or obviously non-confoirming values, mostly "imported" -- what in the world did we spend so much energy protesting about in the '60s and '70s???).

My town (near Austin) is already on a voluntary water rationing for landscape irrigation. I can water my lawn (a bit over 1 acre) only on Wednesdays and Saturdays from 12:00 Midnight to 8:00 AM and 8:00 PM to 12:00 Midnight. I cannot get the whole yard watered without staying up all night. So I'm watching a lot of money spent on grass, plants, groundcover, etc fade away.
The problem here is more the capacity of the water system than the shortage of water though. Area is growing like crazy. I have a few acres in a small town an hour from here and have my own well on it - with lots of good water.

You guys think you have it bad. In ireland we pay 1.46c for a litre of diesel. Thats the equivilant of 2.28 Dollars per litre. Cigarettes cost 7.55 for a 20 pack thats 11.78 Dollars per pack.

The cost of living has become so high here that it is now immpossible for young married couples to buy a house or have kids.

Bloody Disaster.

The new motto in our yard

DONT WORRY BE HAPPY

Regards
DaveK

Got a friend who lives in Essex - he runs his car on chip fat oil - he collects it from local chippies, converts it in his garden, and hey presto, runs his car for virtually nothing!

I feel for you Davek, I guess most of you there will just go to work and then do what Robyn suggested, go(walk or bike) to the pub and drink and not drive.
There are more and more people in the states that are doing that Trish. Some are even trying to start business' to collect clean and sale to others.

Originally Posted by SAman

I feel for you Davek, I guess most of you there will just go to work and then do what Robyn suggested, go(walk or bike) to the pub and drink and not drive.
There are more and more people in the states that are doing that Trish. Some are even trying to start business' to collect clean and sale to others.

Bio-Deisel has been in the Bay Area since 1979, but only recently has the law been revised to allow "distilling" on a much grander scale for homeowners: apparently, the volume allowed was too small to fully process for fuel, since it fell under the same law as making wine and brewing beer??

It is growing, too. Smells like a *m o b i l e french fry cart going by. Using reclaimed vegatable & cooking oil has been a 2-way win (of course), but I imagine it would really take off if they added just a fraction of the soy production to the pot. At about $800/conversions, there really is no reason why at today's state of affairs we simply being mandating a significant percentage of commercial vehicles (like 30-60%) to run on bio-deisel, just as they have UPS trucks running on natural gas.....would make a lot of ecological sense, and ease the feeling of capitulation in shifting people to a new midset. IMO.


** These filters in the forums are still not fixed properly. Incredible.

OK....a new political party: The GOMERs

Grumpy Old Men, Ecologically Responsible

-OR-

Grumpy Old Men - Earth Respecting


Probably no worse than all the campaign BS we've suffered through this year anyway, and definitely no hidden agendas! LOL

Here her General sir!! I am and have for about 1.5 years now working for a subsidary (sp) of and eng. consuolting firm that is making a product to help old mother earth and all our health. We are putting out a product that cuts electricity use during the heat of the day, and increases effeciency of A/C unit at the same time. It is a good feeling to be part of something that is helping to cut C** emissions and save energy. I think more and more people are realizing the state we are in, and some are even trying to help.

Here is a thought for the day.

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY

OPEC sells oil for $136.00 a barrel.
OPEC nations buy U.S. grain at $7.00 a bushel.
Solution: Sell grain for $136.00 a bushel.
Can't buy it? Tough! Eat your oil!
Ought to go well with a nice thick grilled filet of camel ass!!!

In France/Paris, it's about €1,34 the litre. France only produces 1% of it's petrol YEY!!! (4 litres = 1.06 US gallon or 0.88 UK gallon), so about €5,20 per US gallon, which makes about $6,80 per US gallon!!!