Thread: uk law bonkers

i live in the uk and the law in my country is bonkers heres why.
2 days ago i caught i prowler trying to enter my house he also had a srew driver which he could use as a weapon. as a martial arts expert i took him down while my wife called the police.when they arrived i explained what had happened ,what i got in reply had shocked me,they told me i could be arrested for assult as i could have used deadly force as i was trained in the martial arts i could not belive it when they let him go right in front of me.i told them if he returns and enters my house i will take him down to protect my wife and son,the police told me i can you resonable force.if a prowler got into my house armed i will use deadly force i told them.they left my house saying you do that you will be in serious trouble.our law is wrong

Too right! Anyone who invades your property and threatens the security of you and your family deserves whatever comes their way IMO. There's no wonder Blighty is sinking fast with half-arsed namby pamby laws like that.

Sorry to here about your experience. But please don't use martial arts if you have something like a bat that you could use. This will save you the possibility of hurting yourself.
In preference, Don’t call the police as this in an offense they wont make money from (like parking in the wrong place)
If you get a chance apprehend the prowler tie them to the nearest public lamp post & leave a note on them to say what they have done. Some others in the street may of had similar problem & might like a friendly chat.
This may also deter others from doing this type of thing.

Originally Posted by Collectors-info

Sorry to here about your experience. But please don't use martial arts if you have something like a bat that you could use. This will save you the possibility of hurting yourself.

ROFLMAO!

our law in the uk is wrong how can they let a prowler go when he has a screw driver in his hand but say they would arrest me if i use force yeah right i'll stand there and go ahead mate rob my house i don't think so.

i'd tar and feather him next time lol

We occasionally have problems with mountain lions where we live. When food dries up in the winter they start coming into town and snacking on kitty cats, sometimes becoming enboldened and moving up the food chain. Fortunately the last attack on a child was some years ago.

Now, a mountain lion hunting permit can be obtained but it is illegal to shoot an animal on your own property if it within the boundaries of the city.

Guess what? A mountain lion comes on my land and threatens my animals I shoot him. We sort it out later while I pet my dog.

Originally Posted by Collectors-info

Sorry to here about your experience. But please don't use martial arts if you have something like a bat that you could use. This will save you the possibility of hurting yourself.
In preference, Don’t call the police as this in an offense they wont make money from (like parking in the wrong place)
If you get a chance apprehend the prowler tie them to the nearest public lamp post & leave a note on them to say what they have done. Some others in the street may of had similar problem & might like a friendly chat.
This may also deter others from doing this type of thing.

Although, very funny... I totally agree 100%. I am certain that if an intruder broke into my house, I would hit him with whatever force it would take to knock him unconcious at the very least. I would then have no hesitation in tying a slab of concrete to him and throwing him in the nearest river and then just saying nothing about it to anyone.

As far as I am concerned, anyone entering onto my property with the intent of stealing or possibly causing harm to me and my family would have waivered ALL his rights to remain alive!! It's that simple!!

This is just one of MANY reasons I am building up my revenue to leave the UK, we have far too many idiots in charge who allow criminals to have rights and children who can't be disciplined.

I love watching all these American blockbusters where the intruder breaks into the house, the owner get's his shotgun and blasts his head off and the police just come round, don't ask one single question about what has gone on, cart the body away and the family carry on with their thanksgiving meal as if nothing had happened.... (Does it really happen like that?)

Originally Posted by Marincky

I love watching all these American blockbusters where the intruder breaks into the house, the owner get's his shotgun and blasts his head off and the police just come round, don't ask one single question about what has gone on, cart the body away and the family carry on with their thanksgiving meal as if nothing had happened.... (Does it really happen like that?)

Hey Ramsy,

Well, yeah. I think here as long as you can demonstrate you were, in fact, defending yourself, your family, and/or your property you'll probably be ok. You might be in a bit of trouble if your weapon wasn't registered or the like but like my mountain lion story, personally I'll do what I think necessary and take my chances with the consequences.

Originally Posted by sedona

Hey Ramsy,

Well, yeah. I think here as long as you can demonstrate you were, in fact, defending yourself, your family, and/or your property you'll probably be ok. You might be in a bit of trouble if your weapon wasn't registered or the like but like my mountain lion story, personally I'll do what I think necessary and take my chances with the consequences.

I don't blame you Ken, I would do the same. I don't think we will ever have the law changed over here that would allow guns to be issued as freely as you have over there.. more's the pity!

[quote=Marincky;215849]This is just one of MANY reasons I am building up my revenue to leave the UK, we have far too many idiots in charge who allow criminals to have rights and children who can't be disciplined. /quote]

You know, Ramsey, my wife is from the UK, here just about 2 years now. Sorry to tell you this but there are many bits about the US way of doing things that drive her bonkers and have her pining for merry old England and what is most familiar to her.

There is no nirvana on earth...

(and, oh yeah, she thinks American kids should all be sent to a large island until adulthood lol)

Well, Ramsey it is not quite like that! But if you come to America for some relief from STUPID laws; better decide to come West of the Mississippi River!

The eastern half of the US, (except for a very few Southern states), have laws very much like the UK!

The West US is still a bit wild; but they are rapidly trying to put STUPID laws into place here, too!

[quote=sedona;215861]

Originally Posted by Marincky

This is just one of MANY reasons I am building up my revenue to leave the UK, we have far too many idiots in charge who allow criminals to have rights and children who can't be disciplined. /quote]

You know, Ramsey, my wife is from the UK, here just about 2 years now. Sorry to tell you this but there are many bits about the US way of doing things that drive her bonkers and have her pining for merry old England and what is most familiar to her.

There is no nirvana on earth...

(and, oh yeah, she thinks American kids should all be sent to a large island until adulthood lol)

I guess it's what you are used to, and getting used to a new way of life is not a walk in the park by any means, having said that I can't think of one single thing I would miss about the UK.

Originally Posted by judavvforum

Well, Ramsey it is not quite like that! But if you come to America for some relief from STUPID laws; better decide to come West of the Mississippi River!

Hi Dave,

Well of course I was referring to America Out West where we live...

Originally Posted by sedona

(and, oh yeah, she thinks American kids should all be sent to a large island until adulthood lol)

I used to be a coach driver and on a couple of occasions had to pick up some American teenagers from the airport and spend one or two weeks away with them on a coach tour. I can tell you that your kids put ours very much to shame. I am sure there is good and bad everywhere but it was just nice to spend some time with these guys, the respect, their mannners, and their maturity is definitely something missing here.

I used to be a coach driver and on a couple of occasions had to pick up some American teenagers from the airport and spend one or two weeks away with them on a coach tour. I can tell you that your kids put ours very much to shame. I am sure there is good and bad everywhere but it was just nice to spend some time with these guys, the respect, their mannners, and their maturity is definitely something missing here.

So true.....It does not help that now seems to be a career option to be a single parent and each of these kids have no family structure, I hear their mother swearing at them, letting them roam around in the middle of the night, just get them out of the house so they can watch those brain dead chat shows through the day. Is it any wonder they end up like they do. I knew that if I did something wrong wither my father or someone would make me pay for my actions.


That's before we even start with the stupid soft laws we have, they know for a fact that nothing will happen to them, respect and laws have gone, no one seems to care, certainly not the people in charge who are so far away from the problem they are blind, you would see a difference if it was on their own doorsteps.

Rant over.

well here is another one to get you thinking.my best friend is leaving the uk next month to live in florida.heres who the story unfolded
in 2000 my friend and his wife were shopping at a super market minding their own business his wife putting things ih her shopping trolly and her husband in the next isle getting food stuffs,when this man walked up behinh me best friends wife and sexually assulted her she screamed and her husband (my best friend) who is also a sensei black belt second dan.he grabbed hold of this bloke and broke both of his arms and "shouted you won't be assulting any other women for a very long time".
now when the police came they arrested my friend for assult and battery against the man who assulted his wife,my friend was sent to jail for 6 months the other man got 6 weeks community service after his injuries had healed.now you tell me thats right because is anyone assulted my wife is would do the same and if it was a police officers wife it happened too the policeman would also do the same.i'm disgusted on how my country is helping crims and not victims it's wrong and needs to change.voting makes no difference all politicians are the same crooked.if i had enough money i would also leave the uk

the uk has now the biggest problem with boozy teens causing havock,they have no self respect,no life and no job what our country needs is to bring back national service,stick em in the army that way they learn to behave them selves and do something worthy than sitting on a park bench drunk or stoned.

the uk has now the worst problem with drunk teenager binge drinking and causing trouble with public and violence between one and other.what the government should do is bring back national service this will shock them knowing they must get up at 5 in the morning run 2 miles a day and giving something back to the tax payer,maybe this is what they need instead of being drunk on a park bench or even stoned out of their brains.

Hey Artful, I agree with you, but it's getting more like that over here every day. I don't think I would be telling anyone if I knew martial arts. That may be a secret that needs to be kept quiet.
Also the mandatory service would be good for those buger eaters. Even those royal boys served.
I think you are right tho, and it could be partly from the social support for medicine, and out of work people, no reason or incentive to work or improve.
Good Luck, and get a big dog!!

Originally Posted by artfuldodger

the uk has now the worst problem with drunk teenager binge drinking and causing trouble with public and violence between one and other.what the government should do is bring back national service this will shock them knowing they must get up at 5 in the morning run 2 miles a day and giving something back to the tax payer,maybe this is what they need instead of being drunk on a park bench or even stoned out of their brains.

They have a great law in some of the US states of 3 hits & your out. (Jail for a long time) They should have this for the kids here, but send them to the army instead.
The main problem is the UK government dosnt want to send them to jail because of the cost involved. Might be nice to do as we used to do & send them to Australia. They can refuse the boat entry & leave them bobbing up & down for a few years in the pacific. LOL

Originally Posted by Collectors-info

They have a great law in some of the US states of 3 hits & your out. (Jail for a long time) They should have this for the kids here, but send them to the army instead.
The main problem is the UK government dosnt want to send them to jail because of the cost involved. Might be nice to do as we used to do & send them to Australia. They can refuse the boat entry & leave them bobbing up & down for a few years in the pacific. LOL

Eh ... we've got enough of our own thanks ... and already half the English populaion lives in South Australia ... like the idea of leaving them bobbing up and down on the sea ... lmao at the image ..

We have a lot of the same problems here ... if you use excessive force on an intruder then you will be in more trouble and the intruder has even been known to sue and win ... tell me how that works ...??

I support your comments guys ...

as a car club enthusiast and over 40 years of age i have been pulled up for having a modded car i own a crysler pt cruiser with blue neon lights under the car,the officer stopped me and said i can arrest you for impersonating a police officer.i said why is that,he said the blue lights under your car,i said but they are not flashing and i have never seen a police car with flashing neons under their car,he said well off you go as you are not a youngster (a boy racer) so if i was a younger driver would he have give him a ticket or arrest him my mind boggles.we do live in a messed up world.

Well, I live in small town Texas, and although I'm not sure of the law, I really don't believe I would be worried about shooting someone breaking into my house. I keep a .357 magnum loaded (but away from where the grandkids can get it) along with a few smaller caliber pistols. And I don't know of any of my friends that don't have loaded weapons handy. And you can get a permit to carry, on your person, a loaded weapon fairly easily.
Sorta like the joke about the two guys in an argument - one pulls a knife out and asks the other what he's going to do now? The other guy says "I'm going to ask you why you would bring a knife to a pistol fight?"

But I also taught my kids to shoot along with firearm safety at a young age so they will respect firearms.

It's pretty obvious how the gov't. here in the US has messed up the parents ability to control their kids! We don't dare use corporal punishment on the kids, or we'll go to jail! The sad part is that the kids know it so, "time out" punishment doesn't work after about the age of 12!

So, what choice does a parent have when the kids get old enough to tell you where to go, when you want them to stop doing something wrong? It's child abuse here no matter what you do to punish them!

How many people do you know, (if they are old enough to have a mind of their own), will do what you tell them, if they are doing something wrong? The sad truth is that the punishment, for refusing to obey, has to hurt before they will do what you want them to do or stop doing!

Unfortunately, our "do gooders" in gov't. think they know better!

Hey Dave maybe we ought to tell those kids that if they don't want to live by the rules, then they need to find some place where they can live by their rules. Ofcourse then we would probably get hit with abandonment. It's the catch 22, no matter what we do someone will find it wrong.

You know what, the world's getting such a bad place to live in now that I personally would back a government plan to spike our drinking water with a drug that removes aggression from our system!!

Well it's an idea...

Right on, Mike! That's exactly what would happen!

That's an good idea, Ramsey! Kinda reminds me of that old time movie, I think it was called, The Time Machine"; where life was easy going, no wars, no violence, everyone was mello! Unfortunately, they were kept in that state of mind so these underground people could use them for food!! Kind of like the people were cattle!

Don't want to go that far! LOL!

But, if the gov't. would just realize that they are not the right people to be setting family values, and let the parents take control of the kids back; things would eventually get back to a gentler time!

At my age, I have no expectations of ever seeing those times again!
Cheers.

Feeding people to cattle... hmmm now there's an idea, why then don't we just feed criminals to Cattle... think of all the benefits... no need for prisons... cheap food for cattle.... We can even throw in for free people who think disciplining a child is 'against it's human rights'! We could feed those ones to the pigs!

LOL, Ramsey!

Originally Posted by judavvforum

LOL, Ramsey!

u think I'm joking...

Check out this discipline of a little kid!!

http://www.wesh.com/news/15510193/detail.html

Yeah...unfortunately, it's those people that have given the gov't. the excuse they need to take over control of our kids! It's true that punishment has to be done using common sense!

We have a case going on right now, where a fellow is being charged with 5 counts of child abuse. One count for each bruise on the child's bottom!

Apparently he used a belt. But, you know what? You can bruise a childs bottom just using your open hand! That's no reason for the parent to go to jail!!

So instead; parents are helpless to try to raise their kids and teach them to respect authority, when they know that if the parent touches them; the parent could be in a heap of trouble!

So....society is reaping what our gov't. is sowing! A bunch of people that would just as soon shoot you as discuss the problem!

you are right.the rights of parents have been taken away and the kids know it.the so called do gooders say take away their privileges keep them in.yeah right the kids climb out the windows or say i'll call the police for forced inprisonment or they threaten and say i'll tell them you hit me if i ain't let out.the parents then get scared and back down because the kids are believed on what they say.todays teens but NOT all have no self respect at all.if they don't respect their own parents then these kids are heading for self destruction.

There is quite likely more to the story, & reading between the lines can often help. But! Jeffery Archer was on the TV last night. (UK polotition& novelist + Very wealthy Jail bird) He was saying, one of the inmates that he was friendly with is serving a long sentence for murdering his father/step father. He murdered this person because he was sexually & physically abused from the age of 6 to 16. Dammed if you do & dammed if you don't.

Here's an article I just read in the San Antonio, TX Express-News:
Homeowner shoots, kills intruder
Police said an East Side homeowner shot and killed an intruder Saturday morning, moments after the man entered a back window of the house.
Sgt. Steven Peterson of the San Antonio Police Department said the intruder broke into the home in the 1400 block of South Palmetto about 10:30 a.m. The homeowner, who was not identified, grabbed a rifle and shot at the man, striking him in the upper torso area.
Peterson said the man ran into the home's backyard, where he collapsed and died.
Texas law permits homeowners to use deadly force to protect their home and property.
The homeowner's sister said her brother was sleeping when the suspect broke into his house.
"I don’t know how someone could just break into a house in broad daylight," said Rosie Reyna, the man's sister, who lives across the street from where the shooting took place.
She said the neighborhood has recently been plagued with property theft -- usually involving drug addicts looking for things to pawn.
"My brother did what he had to do in self-defense," she said.
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And an article from the Houston TX Chronicle from August 15, 2008:
North Texas school district will let teachers carry guns
HARROLD, Texas — A tiny Texas school district may be the first in the nation to allow teachers and staff to pack guns for protection when classes begin later this month, a newspaper reported.
Trustees at the Harrold Independent School District approved a district policy change last October so employees can carry concealed firearms to deter and protect against school shootings, provided the gun-toting teachers follow certain requirements.
In order for teachers and staff to carry a pistol, they must have a Texas license to carry a concealed handgun; must be authorized to carry by the district; must receive training in crisis management and hostile situations and have to use ammunition that is designed to minimize the risk of ricochet in school halls.
Superintendent David Thweatt said the small community is a 30-minute drive from the sheriff's office, leaving students and teachers without protection. He said the district's lone campus sits 500 feet from heavily trafficked U.S. 287, which could make it a target.
"When the federal government started making schools gun-free zones, that's when all of these shootings started. Why would you put it out there that a group of people can't defend themselves? That's like saying 'sic 'em' to a dog," Thweatt said in Friday's online edition of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram.
Thweatt said officials researched the policy and considered other options for about a year before approving the policy change. He said the district also has various other security measures in place to prevent a school shooting.
"The naysayers think (a shooting) won't happen here. If something were to happen here, I'd much rather be calling a parent to tell them that their child is OK because we were able to protect them," Thweatt said.
Texas law outlaws firearms on school campuses "unless pursuant to the written regulations or written authorization of the institution."
It was unclear how many of the 50 or so teachers and staff members will be armed this fall because Thweatt did not disclose that information, to keep it from students or potential attackers. Wilbarger County Sheriff Larry Lee was out of the office Thursday and did not immediately return a phone call seeking comment, the newspaper said.
Barbara Williams, a spokeswoman for the Texas Association of School Boards, said her organization did not know of another district with such a policy. Ken Trump, a Cleveland-based school security expert who advises districts nationwide, including in Texas, said Harrold is the first district with such a policy.
The 110-student district is 150 miles northwest of Fort Worth on the eastern end of Wilbarger County, near the Oklahoma border.



I think life is grand in Texas - for law-abiding folks !

But we don't know if the man in San Antonio was named Bubba or not.