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**Vasili** · 03-17-2008, 11:38 AM

Re: Heeeeeeeeeeeelp!!! dropped out of google land

How long has it been up? If this is the second or even third cycle of SE's caching your site, then quite obviously they do not value something as you expected on the return monthly visit....

Is your site properly and uniformly "optimized"?
Do you have all the basic elements of "optimization" present (including sitemaps, Meta, etc.)?
Is your website in total W3 and Perfect Page compliance?
Is your content properly formatted and demonstrating the degree of uniqueness required (not copied, plagiarized, or similar)?
Are your competitors doing anything different (do they have a progressive SEO strategy)?

There are many influences, systems of valuation, and perspectives to manitain, all of which have direct bearing on the ranking of websites. And, that is why a professional SEO Strategy takes good money to maintain (as well as a proven crew, and not just the efforts of an individual)!

**Vasili** · 03-17-2008, 12:00 PM

Re: Heeeeeeeeeeeelp!!! dropped out of google land

Questioning some of my comments? Well, I did just a quick look-see, and noticed first thing that your rollover links on the index page are pretty much a violation of SE metrics, inasmuch they fairly duplicate your Key Words far too closely, and are all the same (rather than simple relevant tags to various interior pages, as would be normally seen).

You have grasped some concepts of formatting a page (use of footers, text links for pages as visible text links also in the foorter, etc.) but are very close to being read as "Black Hat" in others, as mentioned above.

I would really examine your entire index page to not over-reach, but to simply cover the bases in a much more compliant, balanced fashion ....
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**karel** · 03-17-2008, 01:48 PM

Re: Heeeeeeeeeeeelp!!! dropped out of google land

Maybe just maybe as has happened to me in the past it is a temporary thing. My site has dissapeared and the reapeared on the first page a day or two later. I think this maybe the case if you hit the first and second page for these phrases, unless you have done something to upset google I can't see this happening. Could be wrong, but again it has happened to me 2 or 3 times, so don't worry just yet.

Paul

P.S David also you would be far better linking the text at the top of your home page rather than getting people to click the ticks.

**AJ113** · 03-17-2008, 02:01 PM

Re: Heeeeeeeeeeeelp!!! dropped out of google land

Yes it's happened to me too in the past. Very frustrating. Google has just had an update so that could be an influencing factor. You may be left with no other option but to "wait and see." My guess is that your se results listings will creep back to their previous levels over a period of time.

If you have been adding pages containing decent content Google has this infuriating habit of penalising you first by de-indexing multiple pages before acknowledging that your site is actually improving, and indexing your new pages. Regrettably it's more of an incentive to cease your webmaster activities than it is to forge ahead with enhancements.

**David Marshall** · 03-17-2008, 04:41 PM

Re: Heeeeeeeeeeeelp!!! dropped out of google land

thanks all,

Vasili, in your opinion should I simple reorganise/remove/change some of the links from the front page, make it simpler?

The site has been up for two months and was doing very well in terms of moving up the rankings, this is why I do not understand this. I have used the same processes to add pages throughout!

I have been careful to optimize it on each page. I have a site map.

The competition are all very similar to each other which is why I wanted to build a site that would become a reference for people rather just another 5 page sales site for hypno sessions.

I have not checked the compliance as you mentioned.

Karel, AJ113, how long did it take to get the site back up? Not sure I can wait indefinitely for google?

Dave

**David Marshall** · 03-17-2008, 04:47 PM

Re: Heeeeeeeeeeeelp!!! dropped out of google land

Just checked the compliance on w3 site and the index page failed with 53 errors, sounds like my car failed an MOT but what does that really mean?

Does not sound too great though!

dave

**Karen Mac** · 03-17-2008, 05:44 PM

Re: Heeeeeeeeeeeelp!!! dropped out of google land

What do you mean failed? 53 errors.. what kind of errors were they?

Your link to stress management is broken, and when i check on sitereportcard.com I see 43 warnings, mostly for division tags, and this could be something with the bv builder, but this most likely will have NOTHING to do with your page rank or keyword rank. Almost everyone has some errors, and ive seen pages with pr 7 with html errors. Its pretty tough to build a site without SOME error. I would tend to worry if the browser or viewer or the se couldnt navigate or read the pages.

I tell you what will screw you tho..SPAMMY ALT TAGS. Its obviously KEYWORD STUFFED. I dont care if you are using page titles, page names, alt tags, any time you misuse it.. you are going to be DINGED for it. An alt tag DESCRIBES A PICTURE

Heres what youve done with it.. for example:

Thats a shape on your site. WTF does that shape have to do with what you typed in there? NOTHING and vice versa, its a shape defining your site, so if you are going to USE an alt tag in it then it should be something like, "defining left border", or background color for header..

An alt tag is NOT meant to SPAM brownie points, If you can use a keyword then fine.. Like "Our Hypnotherapy Office" ..so ya google is gonna drop you like a hot potato once it figures you are attempting to FOOL it.

Karen

**karel** · 03-17-2008, 06:49 PM

Re: Heeeeeeeeeeeelp!!! dropped out of google land

Karel, AJ113, how long did it take to get the site back up? Not sure I can wait indefinitely for google?

Like it said above 1 or 2 days, it has happened a couple of times, probably more as I don't chack often, so don't worry just yet, if it does not change back then take it from there.

Also I looked at your site and it seems you are trying to please the search engines too much, remember although its great to have plenty of information on there, the site needs to be smart and easy to navigate for your customers and not just a mish mash of things. Like the massive list of areas at the foot of some of your pages, this one included.

http://www.themindconsultant.co.uk/removing-phobias.html

Paul

**Karen Mac** · 03-17-2008, 08:27 PM

Re: Heeeeeeeeeeeelp!!! dropped out of google land

Spam is spam, no matter how nicely its put. SE dont forgive ignorance... That whole footer is trash, its so small NO ONE can read it but the SE and the listing of all those cities and towns is ****. Anyone living there KNOWS where you are, and a listing of 500 cities for the purpose of ranking is spam. The alt tags are trash, NO SUGAR COATING to it. ITS BAD TACTICS all the way around. I doubt in one or two days you will be back.

Karen

**David Marshall** · 03-17-2008, 09:25 PM

Re: Heeeeeeeeeeeelp!!! dropped out of google land

Hi,

This is all a learning curve for me so thanks for all your advice. I have put too much effort into pleasing the search engines and have learnt something in that. I will change the site having learnt a lesson.

The alt tags highlighted with all that information was something I had seen used in a very successful site that works really well within the hypnotherapy world so I simply copied that, personally I don't like huge lists appearing on sites but it seemed to work for this other site so I followed suit.

The question now is should I put efort into changing the site or redo another one with another domain name, I will have a ponder,

thanks again

cheers

Dave

**Karen Mac** · 03-17-2008, 09:43 PM

Re: Heeeeeeeeeeeelp!!! dropped out of google land

That site will get caught up, and it will disappear from the listings too, Other things probably have prevented it, like age etc.

Dave.. if it doesnt MAKE sense for your customer.. Dont do it. You can make a page and list communities/areas you serve ONE time, not every page should have it. Link to that page as a convenience to your customer to see if their community is serviced, if you feel you MUST have it.

Karen

You can Salvage that site, if .. they havent blacklisted you totally, and you dont show greyed out in the tool bar yet, which usually indicates a site has been.

**AJ113** · 03-17-2008, 11:29 PM

Re: Heeeeeeeeeeeelp!!! dropped out of google land

If your site has been only been up for two months it could well be in the Google sandbox. I've certainly been there myself and it ain't good. Only time heals that one I'm afraid.

Without going in to the specifics I endorse the general advice given that the best way to optimise for SE's is to optimise for the visitor. If you adhere to this principle, you may not necessarily end up with best SEO, but you will have a good chance of not p1ssing off the SE's.

Just imagine yourself as a visitor when you are designing the pages, and ask yourself if YOU (as a visitor) would be happy with the resultant effort.

**AJ113** · 03-17-2008, 11:36 PM

Re: Heeeeeeeeeeeelp!!! dropped out of google land

Karen may or may not be right about the ALT tags, one thing I'm sure of though, ALT tags don't play a major part in SE results, so if you're in doubt, drop them altogether. Concentrate on your page titles, using well-researched niche keywords. Name your URLs after the main keyword for each page, write good quality original content, and lots of it!

**Vasili** · 03-17-2008, 11:58 PM

Re: Heeeeeeeeeeeelp!!! dropped out of google land

The ALT tags as currently presented are a detriment to site value altogether, yet clever use can add value when kept within the obvious rules for relevance and balance......and may be even used as a means to add more "text" to pages lean of Content: so they do, in fact have a significant contributable value if used optimally (and not "exclusively" for images - LOL).

The blatant duplication of tag to tag, and all being over-burdened with "Wildcard" attributes ('irrelevant'* Key Words and phrases) truly is a "Black Hat" trigger that is de-valueing whatever temporary positioning that was previously allowed to exist. It is the first thing I saw, and the most mentionable contributor to the "issue" being mish-moshed in this thread even now....

* "irrelevant": unsupported; not anchored by page content or unique combination of tags, text, links, and titles.

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