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navaldesign
02-19-2006, 09:09 AM
II have received this beautiful email from my web form:

Email : myself@myself.com (myself@myself.com)
Nome : myself
Cognome : myself
Azienda :
Posizione :
Indirizzo :
Citta :
Provincia - CAP :
Nazione : Italia
Telefono :
Fax :
Cellulare :
Sito Internet : http://www (http://www/).
Testo di_contatto : you want to be famous? your action in voda forum is telling me who you are. but don\\\'t be proud my friend, your knowledge about website is not better then other people in forum. your website exist is not because your knowladge of building web, but because of bluevoda free web. most of your answer in forum are only base on bv.knowladge other then that you are zero
Priorita : Normale
Modalita Risposta : Scelga/ Choose / Choisissez
Come ci avete trovato?: Scelga/ Choose / Choisissez
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Data di ricezione : Saturday 18th February 2006, 6:21 PM
Browser : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1)
IP address : 202.152.162.216
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Underlining in red is all mine.

The IP address took me here:


IP Address 202.152.162.216

Country (Short) ID
Country (Full) INDONESIA
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Region
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ISP INDOSAT INTERNET NETWORK PROVIDER



And my web stats showed me that he/she also visited my website:


IP Address 202.152.162.216
Pages 30
Hits 202
Size 2.12 MB
Last visit 17 Feb 2006 - 03:21




I suppose it was just then that decided that HE HAD TO write me that message.

Well, website building is not what I do for a living. And I wasnít born Einstein. I started building my first website 2 years ago, always using a drag and drop website builder, first because I didnít have a clue about html, php and all the rest, and second, because the tools are out there for us to use and it would be kind of stupid reject them and go on our own, hard way, building in html editor and hand writing the code.

Then I found BV, in my judge the best tool I could find to have my site built easily, I decided I had to go for it. Then came the hard part of it, How to this, how to that, and so on. I read as much as I could the forum posts, I watched the tutorials, and finally I got to a point that I could build a decent website. In the process, the forum became my passion. I sometimes see people that have problems starting, and I think that getting some help can save them some hard hours.
Nyoman, Racefan20, Watdaflip, Pilotchip, Maninsilence, just to mention some, have all been very helpful to most of the new members, and I like to believe that the same goes for me.

In my, personal case, I confess that my web knowledge is 80% based on what Iíve read in the various forum sections, and only 20% on what Iíve been reading / studying from the net, web books, and magazines. On the other hand, helping new, inexperienced members, only requires this kind of knowledge. But I really feel a great satisfaction, when a member thanks me for having spent two or three hours, trying to help, through private emails or by posting. There are members of the forum that could confirm that our offline communication is much longer than online one, just because you canít really post every five minutes for three hours to help solve a problem.

So, Iím I trying to become famous? Iím Ė other than that Ė zero? as this kind friend suggested ?

Please let me know.

As a last thing: I have sometimes in my life expressed my opinion for certain people, and said offending words. I have always done it in their presence and not covered under an anonymous myself@meself.com (myself@meself.com)

racefan20
02-19-2006, 09:56 AM
It's all relative, my friend. Is it more beneficial to learn to hand code html than to use a WYSYIWYG web builder? Yes it is, no doubt about it. But the truth of the matter is that many of us want to publish sites, but don't have the time (yes, time, because the interest is there, but there are only so many hours in a day) to learn and apply it. That's where a product like Blue Voda comes into play.

I have absolutely no regrets about the way we do things and I can say that I've learned a helluva lot about web building by reading this forum, and that knowledge extends well beyond the functionality of BV. When I first started using BV, I had a lot of questions but never posted any of them because the answers were already here - I just had to look for them.

You mentioned a few members in your message (and I'm proud I was included), and that's the natural hierarchy of things. Before you and I came along, there was Steven H., Stroke.nz, Bulldog and many more. Most have moved on, either because they are too busy or have lost interest, but their posts are still available here for anyone who cares to read them.

Bottom line, we have a great tool to use, a great hosting service, an outstanding forum full of information from people trying to help others and an absolutely wonderful "spiritual guide" in *****. I have no regrets.

myself@myself.com can label you, me or any one else a "zero" if he or she chooses, but I'll happily extend an invite to him or her to kiss 100% of my ass. Anyone who would criticize without identifying himself is a coward and not worth the time of day.

Oh, and tell that idiot to spell check before he mails you again. LOL

Lincslady
02-19-2006, 12:12 PM
Oh my god! i dont believe someone wrote that to you Naval!...how rude!
That very sad that someone can be so jelous of someone who not only helps people achieve thier goals but also does it for the love of it...

I for one can and will speak up for Naval who has been such a great help to me on and off this forum..he has spent hrs of his own time helpng me with problems that ive had and gave me suggestions that i would never have thought of myself ...i cant tell the man how grateful i am and will always be for his help and support ...as a total beginner in web building i wouldnt have been able to build my website without the help of kind people like Naval, Racefan n others ...as a beginner asking some stupid questions and very often having to have things repeated to me Naval has had the patience of a saint with me .....tho at times i can feel him sighing and rolling his eyes behind his pc screen lol ....it just makes me laugh ;o)

If my website (once its finished) ever becomes successfull i will have no doubt in my mind that a big part of it will be because of the help he has given me and when i make my first million and buy my villa in Italy we 're gonna invite him round for a big bowl of spaghetti! ..lol

So from me to you Naval ...a big thank you! ...and dont let jelous idiots like this person stop you from doing what you do best ...helping people ...cos people like me ..need people like you.

Linda :o)

VodaHost
02-19-2006, 01:41 PM
The world is full of Malakas, just ignore them, I do.

Girlonthehill
02-19-2006, 02:45 PM
Dear Naval,
You are a most wonderful and valued member of the VodaHost Forum family. You have offered so much help to so many people including myself.

Don't let the worthless opinions of a few sad and pathetic people get to you. These poor people have nothing better to do with their time.

Also beware (everyone) of people like this attempting to get their websites published through a 'back door' without paying to join VodaHost. They use all kinds of excuses, call you friend etc - they are only after a free ride!

Thank you for all the wonderful VOLUNTARY work you do on behalf of all of us. You are a star.

limebrook1
02-19-2006, 04:07 PM
Hi Naval - some months ago when I first started my Guestbook I got a few crank entries telling me my website was rubbish in so uncertain terms! I have found out who this was - it was someone who had taken a grudge against me in my day job and wanted to hurt me.

At the time it was very upsetting, so I understand how you feel, but people who do things like this are very sad. I am lucky as I know the history of my case, and know the person concerned is emotionally disturbed!

Just remember all the people (including me!) who are grateful for your help via the forum. OK, so someone is jealous of your success and wants to hurt you - so what! There are thousands (probably no exageration) who have benefited from your knowledge.

Keep up the good work!

Trish

KJay_23
02-19-2006, 05:41 PM
For what it's worth navaldesign, there are a lot of people here who are grateful to you, and everyone else, for your efforts to help those in need... myself included.

The joker who wrote that email isn't worth your time, and after 30 visits, it has to be apparent to him/her that you have spent a lot of time and effort on building your site, and is probably just ticked off that they haven't managed anything of that quality.

Kellie

navaldesign
02-19-2006, 07:40 PM
Thanks to everybody for your comforting words. It's just that one feels uncomfortable with such attacks. I also can't see what bothered him / her. Anyway, a big THANKS to everybody

racefan20
02-19-2006, 08:09 PM
Thanks to everybody for your comforting words. It's just that one feels uncomfortable with such attacks. I also can't see what bothered him / her. Anyway, a big THANKS to everybody

Probably just a case of sail envy. LOL

navaldesign
02-19-2006, 08:14 PM
Probably just a case of sail envy. LOL

Probably. Thanks Race, I appreciate that. LOL

navaldesign
02-19-2006, 08:15 PM
How did the 500 go ? or it is still to go ?

racefan20
02-19-2006, 09:12 PM
How did the 500 go ? or it is still to go ?

It's underway right now.

navaldesign
02-19-2006, 09:44 PM
Don't know much about NASCAR though i like car and boat racing.

Nyoman
02-20-2006, 01:00 AM
this is strange. I got exactly the same massage from my website and even he/she inform me many link of another forum who were talking about vodahost and *****, but I don't know if this is the same person because i didn't put IP monitor in my website.
if he/she is true from Indonesia,This is really embarrassing me as an Indonesian. Actually this kind of people are "zero" as he/she said and totally spamer.
even in this topic http://www.vodahost.com/vodatalk/internet-marketing-forum/3178-email-marketing.html
INDOSAT is one of the bigest internet network provider base in Jakarta, Indonesia. I am also using their service.
The reallity is We (vodahost family) are not "Zero", but he/se(myself@myself.com) is "Below Zero"

goldenleaf
02-20-2006, 03:26 AM
That guy checked me out too, I bet he wouldnt come to the mean streets of PHILADELPHIA and check me out...He has my name...I dont have his...

racefan20
02-20-2006, 04:25 AM
The internet is full of bashers and trolls. It's an easy playground for them because they can be anonymous and many of them act in a manner far different than they act in real life. They are able to look at people as just names on a screen and don't take into account that there are in fact real feelings on the other end.

The best way to handle such a person is to ignore them. If you respond in any way, you're fueling their drive.

pet121
02-21-2006, 12:03 AM
Racefan have you been trying to get in touch?

RPW
02-21-2006, 12:21 AM
Not Zero more like Hero !
That goes to Naval Design (and the others) who help those of us starting out in website building.

racefan20
02-21-2006, 01:09 AM
Racefan have you been trying to get in touch?

Yes I have, my friend. Kellie wants your opinion on a program: http://www.vodahost.com/vodatalk/search-engines/4536-quick-question.html

pet121
02-21-2006, 03:18 AM
Thanks for the confirmation, never sure. pet121

racefan20
02-21-2006, 03:46 AM
I'll email from my website in the future so you have no doubts.

gueorgui
02-23-2006, 01:14 AM
naval I call such people wet blankets, who spread negativity out of their own projected low self worth.........

naval you know whats true, and that we appreciate you help.........just ignore such idiots and let go........

Thank you for helping me out in numerous ocasions, you've got many friends here and that affirm you....Navaldesign!

Girlonthehill
02-25-2006, 06:54 PM
[quote=navaldesign]II have received this beautiful email from my web form:

Email : myself@myself.com (myself@myself.com)
Nome : myself
Cognome : myself
Azienda :
Posizione :
Indirizzo :
Citta :
Provincia - CAP :
Nazione : Italia
Telefono :
Fax :
Cellulare :
Sito Internet : http://www (http://www/).
Testo di_contatto : you want to be famous? [quote]

Further to Naval's horrid experience - it would seem that some sickos out there are making their way through the forums' membership. 'T was my turn today but mine was from 'Voda Host'! Lol. As per... the perp couldn't spell or get their grammar correct. They included some urls and intimated there was stuff to learn about certain people. I didn't even bother looking and just deleted the message.

This is just a warning so that if and when your's arrives you won't be upset! I advise, that no matter what they write, you don't follow any links - I reckon they could be potentially harmful!!!

Aliens Anonymous
02-25-2006, 07:58 PM
found out this about navaldesign email. does this give u any clues


Search results for: 202.152.162.216
OrgName: Asia Pacific Network Information Centre OrgID: APNIC (http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=O%20!%20APNIC)Address: PO Box 2131City: MiltonStateProv: QLDPostalCode: 4064Country: AUReferralServer: whois://whois.apnic.netNetRange: 202.0.0.0 (http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=202.0.0.0) - 203.255.255.255 (http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=203.255.255.255) CIDR: 202.0.0.0/7 NetName: APNIC-CIDR-BLK (http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=N%20.%20APNIC-CIDR-BLK)NetHandle: NET-202-0-0-0-1 (http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=N%20!%20NET-202-0-0-0-1)Parent: NetType: Allocated to APNICNameServer: NS1.APNIC.NETNameServer: NS3.APNIC.NETNameServer: NS4.APNIC.NETNameServer: TINNIE.ARIN.NETNameServer: NS-SEC.RIPE.NETNameServer: DNS1.TELSTRA.NETComment: This IP address range is not registered in the ARIN database.Comment: For details, refer to the APNIC Whois Database viaComment: WHOIS.APNIC.NET or http://www.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois2.pl (http://www.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois2.pl)Comment: ** IMPORTANT NOTE: APNIC is the Regional Internet RegistryComment: for the Asia Pacific region. APNIC does not operate networksComment: using this IP address range and is not able to investigateComment: spam or abuse reports relating to these addresses. For moreComment: help, refer to http://www.apnic.net/info/faq/abuse (http://www.apnic.net/info/faq/abuse)Comment: RegDate: 1994-04-05Updated: 2005-05-20OrgTechHandle: AWC12-ARIN (http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=P%20!%20AWC12-ARIN)OrgTechName: APNIC Whois Contact OrgTechPhone: +61 7 3858 3100OrgTechEmail: search-apnic-not-arin@apnic.net# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2006-02-24 19:10# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

navaldesign
02-25-2006, 08:21 PM
found out this about navaldesign email. does this give u any clues



Search results for: 202.152.162.216
OrgName: Asia Pacific Network Information Centre OrgID: APNIC (http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=O%20!%20APNIC)Address: PO Box 2131City: MiltonStateProv: QLDPostalCode: 4064Country: AUReferralServer: whois://whois.apnic.netNetRange: 202.0.0.0 (http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=202.0.0.0) - 203.255.255.255 (http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=203.255.255.255) CIDR: 202.0.0.0/7 NetName: APNIC-CIDR-BLK (http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=N%20.%20APNIC-CIDR-BLK)NetHandle: NET-202-0-0-0-1 (http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=N%20!%20NET-202-0-0-0-1)Parent: NetType: Allocated to APNICNameServer: NS1.APNIC.NETNameServer: NS3.APNIC.NETNameServer: NS4.APNIC.NETNameServer: TINNIE.ARIN.NETNameServer: NS-SEC.RIPE.NETNameServer: DNS1.TELSTRA.NETComment: This IP address range is not registered in the ARIN database.Comment: For details, refer to the APNIC Whois Database viaComment: WHOIS.APNIC.NET or http://www.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois2.pl (http://www.apnic.net/apnic-bin/whois2.pl)Comment: ** IMPORTANT NOTE: APNIC is the Regional Internet RegistryComment: for the Asia Pacific region. APNIC does not operate networksComment: using this IP address range and is not able to investigateComment: spam or abuse reports relating to these addresses. For moreComment: help, refer to http://www.apnic.net/info/faq/abuse (http://www.apnic.net/info/faq/abuse)Comment: RegDate: 1994-04-05Updated: 2005-05-20OrgTechHandle: AWC12-ARIN (http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=P%20!%20AWC12-ARIN)OrgTechName: APNIC Whois Contact OrgTechPhone: +61 7 3858 3100OrgTechEmail: search-apnic-not-arin@apnic.net# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2006-02-24 19:10# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

Never mind, allien. Just ignore them. I will from now on. On the other hand, Vodahost and our forum must be really bothering them. That's quite comforting !

Aliens Anonymous
02-25-2006, 08:44 PM
Consider them ignored : who, what, when. job done sorry force of habit won't stop till i find the answer, must stop it well in some things any way.